creating lfos to control cc's from plogue

RhythmSickness · Post by **RhythmSickness** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:23 pm

Can anyone show me how to make plogue bidule send an lfo to live to tweak instruments in live?
I have tried to set this up, and now after updating my copy of plogue it just crashes everytime I try to do it.
There was a thread about this, but that used an example file, now missing, so if someone could just tell me what to plug into what, I would be very grateful indeed.

jersmi · Post by **jersmi** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:07 am

you ever get this figured out?

RhythmSickness · Post by **RhythmSickness** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:16 am

this example just sums up my use of plogue bidule completely. I bought it, I own it, but I can't use it for shit, and every time I try to work stuff out it just ends up going nowhere. So yeah, short answer, no.

jersmi · Post by **jersmi** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:40 am

too bad, i use bidule every day. takes a while to learn, or at least it did for me.

i found that using bidule to lfo cc's was a little tricky, relatively speaking. i just recently figured out a good way is to set up bidule as a virtual midi controller using the remote scripting feature in live. then i can assign midi to cc's in live with bidule and have them show up in live's midi map instead of having to assign a cc in live with a hardware controller, then take it over with bidule.

besides that, you have to build a little patch in bidule using a midi cc creator, then you can feed a lfo through that into a midi port and, 1) take over an existing midi assignment in live, or 2) assign an lfo'd cc being sent from bidule to control a live parameter, if bidule is recognized as a midi controller in live.

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:59 am

Hi jersmi, and rythmsickness
I just found a little trick :
I am on XP and I use midi yoke to send midi from the plogue lfo. The boring thing is that live shuts down plogue if it doesn't ouput audio.
So here is what I do : put the Vsti version in a midi track. Send cc's to midi yoke device out, and I put a looper playing anything and mute the track.
I hope this helps.

jersmi · Post by **jersmi** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:34 pm

chapelier fou wrote:I am on XP and I use midi yoke to send midi from the plogue lfo. The boring thing is that live shuts down plogue if it doesn't ouput audio.
So here is what I do : put the Vsti version in a midi track. Send cc's to midi yoke device out, and I put a looper playing anything and mute the track.
I hope this helps.

hi chapelier fou--
i think we are both on mac OSX, so we do not use midi yoke, but in principle it is the same. i am curious-- what does your LFO patch in bidule look like? also, when you say "looper", you mean a dummy midi clip in live or do you use bidule's midi looper?

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:44 pm

yes I used a looper in bidule, because I thought it should output audio for not being shut down by live, but it was a mistake, a midi dummy clip do the trick as well.
my lfo is simply an oscillator, with control of freq and amp. I add 1 to the output and multiply the result by 0.5, so the signal oscillates between 0 and 1.

RhythmSickness · Post by **RhythmSickness** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:22 pm

This is what gets me about bidule, I start out with a theoretically good idea, but then a simple lack of knowledge about how to do things stumps me every time. Have they put the manual together yet?

The last time I asked on their forum I was recommended to go and read a several thousand page book.

Can anyone share a commented example for me to look at?

edit: added to the fact that also every time I seem to be getting somewhere, it crashes live, which just makes the whole process redundant.

jersmi · Post by **jersmi** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:46 am

chapelier fou wrote:yes I used a looper in bidule, because I thought it should output audio for not being shut down by live, but it was a mistake, a midi dummy clip do the trick as well.
my lfo is simply an oscillator, with control of freq and amp. I add 1 to the output and multiply the result by 0.5, so the signal oscillates between 0 and 1.

oh, i mean not the lfo but how you patch it to manipulate midi-- CC Creator?

and RhythmSickness, i could get you a commented .bidule file, but it seems you are disenchanted with bidule, so is it worth it?

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:11 am

simply a cc creator. How else could it be done?

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:12 am

@RythmSickness: did it work with the layout I sent you?

RhythmSickness · Post by **RhythmSickness** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:38 am

jersmi wrote: and RhythmSickness, i could get you a commented .bidule file, but it seems you are disenchanted with bidule, so is it worth it?

Again another reason I am disenchanted with bidule. Its fucking users. You respond to a thread I started, offer me no help, and then when I ask you for help, you ask me if it's worth it?

I guess it depends on how much of a canard you are I guess.

@Chapelier. Thanks that seems quite straightforward. I haven't had time to test it yet but I will later today

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:16 am

keep cool. It's only music...

RhythmSickness · Post by **RhythmSickness** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:00 am

@Chapelier: Thanks very much indeed, that does in fact work a treat.

jersmi · Post by **jersmi** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:13 pm

simply a cc creator. How else could it be done?

i don't know of another way, that's why i asked-- thought maybe you did.

just to be clear, on XP you use midi yoke to send the LFO, but you do have to already have the CC assigned in Live to a hardware controller, is that right?

anyway, good of you, chapelier fou. and, RhythmSickness, i know all too well how frustrating Bidule can be in its lack of docs. re: bidule users, however, what should i say? some people love the program, some don't.

at any rate, here's a gesture of goodwill (which, btw, was never absent): the Bidule Remote Catalog. this is a compilation of groups built in bidule by bidule users. the collection as a whole is probably not commented enough or explain enough to be regarded "tutorials". but maybe there's something there for you.