3G iPhone 16GB = $299

chrisedmo · Post by **chrisedmo** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:53 pm

ouch.. how good is that, a great touch screen controller too!!

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:03 pm

The iPhone 3G will be available July 11th in 22 countries. The maximum price around the world is $199 USD

YES!

How's that for a big fuck-yall to the early adopters/beta-testers of gen.1?

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:05 pm

i don't have an iphone but that is royaly fucked up, i wonder if apple is going to get away with it.

chrisedmo · Post by **chrisedmo** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:08 pm

why is it fucked up ? Ableton just decreased the price of session drums -it happens all the time?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:30 pm

chrisedmo wrote:why is it fucked up ? Ableton just decreased the price of session drums -it happens all the time?

I think it's because they're underbidding the entire industry, basically. Much like, oh, I don't know, Logic? But comparisons to software don't even make sense here.

They're trying to corner a market aggresively by losing on the hardware, and then making the money back through micropayments for software and such. Good idea from a business stand-point, but ethically... erhm. Not so much.

kabuki · Post by **kabuki** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:31 pm

not fucked up at all. Everyone knows that you never buy any piece of tech when they come out unless you are prepared to pay more for buggy, slower and less polished gear. Apple, Korg, Ableton, Naitive Instruments, Microsoft, Dungeons and Dragons, etc.

Unfair would be if they suddenly stopped support for the i(wish I waited)Phone G1 and left the early adopters in the dust while still charging them to use it.

SUCCCAZ!

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:35 pm

personaly makes no diff to me, i'm awaiting the blackberry bold, but i do use other apple products and they really have been doing this alot lately.
it might be business but not continually burning your customers is business too and they have lost some customers over this type of agressive practice

chrisedmo · Post by **chrisedmo** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:39 pm

yeah i know.. it doesn't bother me - this is what happens with technology - as people buy more - the price goes lower, and i know what you're saying about losing customers, but then how many more do they make ? think about how many people bought logic - and now how many more people are gonna get an iPhone ?

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:43 pm

$199... I think I'm ready!

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:49 pm

chrisedmo wrote:yeah i know.. it doesn't bother me - this is what happens with technology - as people buy more - the price goes lower

but not this low, this quickly. that's the icky part. Underbidding the market. And yes, of course we'll get some, too. But I'll feel bad for a day or two

dphouse84 · Post by **dphouse84** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:54 pm

+1 can it work on other systems besides ATT/Cingular in US without hacking?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:56 pm

Machinate wrote:
chrisedmo wrote:why is it fucked up ? Ableton just decreased the price of session drums -it happens all the time?
I think it's because they're underbidding the entire industry, basically. Much like, oh, I don't know, Logic? But comparisons to software don't even make sense here.

They're trying to corner a market aggresively by losing on the hardware, and then making the money back through micropayments for software and such. Good idea from a business stand-point, but ethically... erhm. Not so much.

You're reaching pretty hard with this. Ethically there isn't any wrong doing in lowring the price of an item once it's been out for a while, in fact forcing your original price on new users just to make buyers who've already been using said product for X amount of time happy is less ethical IMO. Rumor was that AT&T is willing to help pay for the iPhone, just like many companies do for other phones, and I'm willing to bet that the other carriers are also willing.... it makes sense.
Now offering a reward for early adapters just like they did with early iPhone buyers last year also makes sense, but everybody knew this was coming, so it's less likely.
Also, last month people would be complaining that the iPhone was too expensive, so which is it? Too expensive or too aggressively priced, or is it that it's an Apple product, so we must all line up to deride the business model, and comment on how they are shafting the other companies-early adapters-end user because they aren't competing fairly-starting off a fixed price point and sticking to it-releasing the sdk quick enough/giving enough 'features' ???

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:04 pm

who's reaching hard here? You seem to be lumping me in with ...quite a lot of different groups of people there.

They're dumping the prices, through corporate "subsidies" from AT+T and the likes, and general market aggression... , to what seems to be a seemingly unsustainable price. They have a size and distribution network that makes this feasible, but that's an ugly way of working to me, much like locking messenger into XP, which MS did, or other monopoly-seeking endeavours.

Nothing in there is "hidden knowledge", nor is it a stretch of the imagination, really.

nonnus · Post by **nonnus** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:06 pm

are you guys really complaining it is too cheap ???

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:07 pm

nonnus wrote:are you guys really complaining it is too cheap ???

then you obviously aren't reading this thread at all....?!?

From a consumer standpoint this is GREAT news.
From a sort of globalisation standpoint it may be a bit more of a grey area.