Using two BCR2000's?

six_o_clock_crow · Post by **six_o_clock_crow** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:40 am

Hi

Is it possble to use two BCR2000's together in Live for a total of 64 available knobs at any one time, without having to switch MIDI channels?

E.G. - BCR1's 32 knobs would be set to CC's 1-32; BCR2's 32 knobs would be set to CC's 33-64.

Cheers

Leon

dys4ik · Post by **dys4ik** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:58 am

I don't see why not. You're the one who has to configure it anyways, right?

six_o_clock_crow · Post by **six_o_clock_crow** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:31 am

Indeed! I just wondered if the CC's on the BCR were fixed so the same knobs transmit the same CC's on each unit and I wouldn't be able to configure them seperately?

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:41 am

They are not fixed. You will be able to configure them as you like.

ciw · Post by **ciw** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:48 am

You can configure them how you like.

However I find it unreliable trying to plug in two BCRs over USB. Sometimes the driver sees both, sometimes it sees only one, sometimes it sees neither. Plug one in over USB and chain the other to the first with a couple of midi leads. Then pray you never need to use three

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:32 pm

If you check out the manual for them on the Behringer site, it explains how to hook two of them up at the same time. So yes you can do it and its supported.

dys4ik · Post by **dys4ik** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:16 pm

My setup is one bcf via usb, one bcr via usb, and one more bcf via midi to the bcr. Live seems them all as separate devices and I can map them how I please.

Track down the B-CONTROL Programming Guide, and find the Operating Mode Selection section.

Here you can pick the appropriate mode for your unit to do daisy chaining. I use U-3 on the BCR and S-4 on the daisy-chained BCF. If you choose to daisy chain, this might be what you want.

gsjward · Post by **gsjward** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:24 am

I am having a similar headache with my BCR and BCF I have them both plugged in via usb to my pc using XP and ableton Live and Reason.

It seems that one controller mirrors the other if i map say the BCF to the Channel volumes the bcr mirrors it as well but i thought they would be seen as Seperate devices but it sees them as one. I have changed the midi channels on the BCF and that worked but I thought they would be seperate anyway.

Also I cant seem to get them succesfully detected in Live or reason sometimes they work sometimes they dont.

The problem i have is Im not sure what mode there supposed to be in.
Both U1 mode or is one meant to be U2 the other U1?
(NB. I have also set the BCF to ID2 and the BCR to ID1 and assume that is correct)

If dys4ik could tell me what his settings are without the daisy chained BCF or anyone else for that matter I would be most appreciative.

I have emailed Behringer and got conflicting advice about the modes so am still confused it seems impossible to get a straight answer from anywhwere the website says one thing a pdf they sent me says something else and the manual is pretty vague and explains it a little disjointedly

dys4ik · Post by **dys4ik** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:49 am

Shit! I missed your reply.

Do you still need this information?

six_o_clock_crow · Post by **six_o_clock_crow** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:43 am

As this topic has reared it's head again, I should probably add that I had no end of problems getting two BCR's to work together in Live.

By using them both over USB, they would randomly stop sending MIDI data. By daisy chaining them, the LEDs on the second unit (i.e. the one not plugged in via USB) wouldn't update.

The solution? Well, I found that contrary to some info out there, you can get the LEDs on a BCR to update when you switch presets. The way I do this is to set all the controls on each preset to a different MIDI channel (e.g. preset 1 = all controls transmit on MIDI channel 1; preset 2 = all controls transmit on MIDI channel 2 etc.)

Once I figured this out, I sold the second BCR

Although I do now fancy a UC-33 to add some sliders and more knobs...

dys4ik · Post by **dys4ik** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:34 pm

Glad to hear you sorted it out!

The trick for me was to select the right operating mode. In some of the modes the unit merges data and on others it doesn't, so I just had to pick the right one (U-1 and U-3 or something like that).

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:39 pm

Simple rule of thumb:

If you use one controller or 20 controllers, CC 1 on channel 1 will always control anything assigned to that parameter.
So multiple controllers sending the same message will control the same thing in Live.

You are limited by 16 times 128 CC's and 128 notes as remote input signals.

six_o_clock_crow · Post by **six_o_clock_crow** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:08 pm

dys4ik wrote:Glad to hear you sorted it out!

The trick for me was to select the right operating mode. In some of the modes the unit merges data and on others it doesn't, so I just had to pick the right one (U-1 and U-3 or something like that).

Cheers! I tried going through the operating modes. I tried every combination on each unit, and still had problems.

hoffman2k wrote:If you use one controller or 20 controllers, CC 1 on channel 1 will always control anything assigned to that parameter.
So multiple controllers sending the same message will control the same thing in Live.

I kept it simple to start with. I tried using preset 1 on each unit. I set up preset 1 on BCR Unit 1 to send on MIDI channel 1, and preset 1 on BCR Unit 2 on channel 2. Still had conflicts/problems whether I daisy chained the units or plugged them both directly into the laptop.

vince watson · Post by **vince watson** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:20 pm

wow...cant believe ive had to find a 3 year old thread to try and solve this...

Has anyone since been able to successfully get this working easily?

Ive tried everything possible and for some reason, the 2nd BCR does not seem to send any midi signals to Live...

Ive tried
A. both on U1, different ID's.
B. both on U1, different channels, different ID's
C. BCR1 on U1 and BCR2 or S4, same channel, different id's..

you get the picture.....ive basically tried the lot.

any help on this would be great....

adam selby · Post by **adam selby** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:41 pm

2nd BCM system just got corrupted in the file usage out lay . . . we used to use this all the time at when i was teaching at uni and its a pain to fix when that occurs

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