Making track mono and layering kick!

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Making track mono and layering kick!

Post by Hayz » Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:33 pm

Hey guys have had some advice from from a guy who mastered my last track. he said:

“make everything under 250-300hz mono”

Any ideas how I go about achieving this? I’ve learnt how to do a high pass filter but I take it this is something new?

Also, one other problem I seem to get when I layer kick drums is that it causes clipping. I therefore end up having to lower the velocity or volume of one of the kicks drums to avoid this, but it kind of defeats the objects of making the beat phatter. Any ideas why this happens? I’m getting rid of all the bass freqs with the high pass….

Advice appreciated as always!
Ez
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Post by laird » Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:53 pm

I think there is a "mastering to vinyl rack" floating around here somewhere.

You need to read up on racks. Split autio into two chains using two EQ8s, one Hipass over 250, one low-pass under 250. On the low-pass chain, add utility plugin set to mono.

As for phat beats, that's an art. I suggest you not clip your audio, ESPECIALLY FOR VINYL. try adjusting the attack portion of the ADSR of one of your drum sounds, especially if you have one whose "body" is more important, raise it's attack (making it more muffled). Then lower the volume of both. Make sure you have good monitors and aren't compensating for mediocre speakers (or headphones?) by boosting the kicks wayyy too much. you will regret it.

You are getting rid of ALL the bass elsewhere? Seems a bit drastic. Also search the wiki for side-chain compression, that's a less drastic tool.

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Post by Hayz » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:08 pm

Hi Laird, thanks for the advice, I guess what you are describing is best left to the mastering engineer? However, there is an option to export audio as mono (Convert to Mono) from Ableton. SHould I be using this option top send audio for mastering?

Thanks for the advice on layering.

Hayz ;)

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Post by mr.adl » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:35 pm

I take GStereo for this (has also a nice widener if you want:
http://www.gvst.co.uk/beta.htm

(Win only)

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Post by laird » Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:32 pm

If you are mastering for vinyl, there are a number of special considerations that dont hold true for what you'd do for mp3 or CD, such as the bass-mono part. The amount of compression you use in the mastering process should also be less than you'd use for a CD, and i think hi-freq content is also often rolled off...

a mastering engineer should know all this and be able to do it easily, some of these might be done by the pressing house ... or maybe not. But, yes, if you have a mastering engineer for a release, its best to give him or her an uncompressed, stereo mix. Its always easier to add compression and reduce the stereo field than the other way around :)

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Post by Mr Lager » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:05 pm

Layer your kicks - bassy kick , treble kick , fast attack kick , live kick sample etc...
then go through each individual kick and identify the frequencies that are giving the kick the qualities mentioned above or the character that attracted you to use it in the firstplace - us subtractive eq to remove the unneccesary frequencies - layer the next kick on top and repeat the process but make space for the dominant frequencies of the first kick - and so on

after they are all layered and sounding good together - ad eq to tidy up and compress to glue - possible a little saturation to taste

-however, never loose sight of how it sounds in the overall mix - but generally i start with drums and build the mix around this

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