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Same trigger different sample?

Post by punching_sandwiches » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:12 pm

Hey guys, I'm getting into triggering sounds with trigger pads. I was wondering if there was a way I could set up ableton so that I can cycle through different samples with one pad.

For example if I have 10 different samples of hi-hats, I want it so the first time I hit the pad I trigger sample 1, then the next time I hit it I trigger sample 2 and so on..

Is there any way I can do this?

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by Icaro Ferre » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:18 pm

I don't think you can do that without using an external application.
You can try doing that by creating a MaxMsp patch which I believe that can be done quite easily.

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by punching_sandwiches » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:23 pm

Ah, I don't have/have never used MAX.

There must be a way to do it in Ableton.... what would this sort of effect be called so I can do more research?

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by siliconarc » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:36 pm

search for 'round robin'

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by aeon_flux » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:39 pm

it is possible but you need midi yoke bus on pc. i think you do not need anything extra on mac which has iac bus included by default. will be trying to recreate this on mac and my mpd18.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm2DgKLeGpQ

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by whalebox » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:52 pm

Would follow actions work for this? Set the trigger to a dummy clip with a follow action of "random" and zero quantization across the board. I don't have a copy of Live in front of me so I can't test this, and I think there might be an issue with the quantization settings for the clips, but it might be worth a look.

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by aeon_flux » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:09 pm

not having my mpd around, but i recreated it on mac with iac (instead of midi yoke) and drumrack (instead of impulse. i also skipped scale effect as my default mpd template has sharp notes). works fine.

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by punching_sandwiches » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:16 pm

Ah cheers aeon_flux, that works perfectly!

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by zalo » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:20 pm

everyone is making this too complicated

put a random midi effect set to 100%, alt and add

set the number of choices to the number of samples you want to scroll through

hit the pad, it now scrolls through

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by Icaro Ferre » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:36 pm

zalo wrote:everyone is making this too complicated

put a random midi effect set to 100%, alt and add

set the number of choices to the number of samples you want to scroll through

hit the pad, it now scrolls through
So true, I totally forgot about the random function. But you can only scroll though 24 notes then it'll reset to the first note you've played.

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by aeon_flux » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:32 pm

zalo wrote:put a random midi effect set to 100%, alt and add
what if you don't want randomness and cycling pads in expected manner?

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by zalo » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:32 am

aeon_flux wrote:
zalo wrote:put a random midi effect set to 100%, alt and add
what if you don't want randomness and cycling pads in expected manner?
the alt function, instead of random

its that little button next to choices

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by aeon_flux » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:40 am

zalo wrote: the alt function, instead of random
it make steps but for all input. key is to steping only one note so it still may require iac/midi yoke and mapping.

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by steff3 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:36 pm

The latin percussion kits are programmed like that ... so if you have a chance to check them out, you will see the principle.

They map the samples to 4 adjustant keys within a single key trigger drum rack and use a MIDI fx to cycle through them. very straight forward.

hope that helps

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Re: Same trigger different sample?

Post by zalo » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:49 pm

aeon_flux wrote:
zalo wrote: the alt function, instead of random
it make steps but for all input. key is to steping only one note so it still may require iac/midi yoke and mapping.
not if you put it inside of the drum rack, ill just upload an example

http://www.wearerockstars.com/zalo/forums/DRexample.alp

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