Reaktor 5 or max4live

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by darkenedsoul » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:22 pm

Tone Deft wrote: Just what I saw posted over in the support section.
OK NI fanboy. :roll:

you're talking out your ass, not cool.[/quote]

First off, I'm not an NI Fanboy, so get it straight. Second, go look in support and there is a thread about it crashing in Live 8.1. Did you even bother to look? I am just going by what I saw as a topic and did a short peruse through the thread. So not talking out my ass.
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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:24 pm

did you ever look at the Reaktor support forum?

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... .php?f=130

:roll: where are you coming from?

"Q: should I get max4Live or Reaktor?

A: I saw a bug reported on max4Live, get Reaktor."

seriously?
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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by arachnaut » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:53 pm

Tone Deft wrote:... Jim you gave up on max4Live after 2 days of trying it and have been ranting against it ever since.
To correct what Tone Deft says:

It is true that I had an initial negative response to Max for Live. It is not true that I gave up after 2 days.

It is incorrect to say that I have been RANTING against it, other than saying the initial devices were primitive compared to Reaktor.

Once I realized that the API was different from what I expected I TONEd down my response. In fact, I did not respond at all to Max postings in the last few weeks. I looked it over, explored it, decided it was not for me, and went on.

I have nothing against Max for Live as an Ableton Live instrument interface.

I think Reaktor is a far better audio exploration tool.

Look over Tone Deft quadrillion posts of rants and hyperbole and compare it to my simple, helpful posts. Make your own judgments. But don't be deceived by the adolescent knee-jerk response and the game of quantity over quality.

I think Tone needs a lot of psychological help and I have written to him in private posts to try to mellow him out.

No success.

I really don't care what you, as an individual, buy to help you make music.

Choose for yourself, as Tone Deft suggests.

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:58 pm

your PMs were quite creepy.

you made a thread for n00bs saying that the Live API diagram was a necessity. I replied that it wasn't and looking at it would scare me off of max4Live. you went into a hissy fit and sent me some really self absorbed, creepy PMs. you totally freaked out, deleted the API picture and changed the thread name.

would you say that you don't know max4Live? I do, you don't get it yet, that's OK, it'll take time.

yeah, digs at the post count, nice one. you're a real helpful guy. :cry:
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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by arachnaut » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:06 pm

Tone Deft wrote:your PMs were quite creepy.

you made a thread for n00bs saying that the Live API diagram was a necessity. I replied that it wasn't and looking at it would scare me off of max4Live. you went into a hissy fit and sent me some really self absorbed, creepy PMs. you totally freaked out, deleted the API picture and changed the thread name.

would you say that you don't know max4Live? I do, you don't get it yet, that's OK, it'll take time.

yeah, digs at the post count, nice one. you're a real helpful guy. :cry:

Look up 'ad hominem'.

Learn how to discuss rather than argue.

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by ze2be » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:22 pm

Look. are you using Live extensively? Macros and Racks, etc? If you like it and use it, you might have seen its limitations too. Macros can get a lot more stuff done with Max. LFOs galore, to ANYTHING in live. Random control of almost all functions in Live. As you grow, you can extend to custom hardware, video, and lights. You can possibly evolve to be a rocket science of media.

If you just want cool plug n play sounds, and you don't need to evolve technically with Live any further then possible, by all means go Reaktor.

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by arachnaut » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:32 pm

ze2be wrote:Look. are you using Live extensively? Macros and Racks, etc? If you like it and use it, you might have seen its limitations too. Macros can get a lot more stuff done with Max. LFOs galore, to ANYTHING in live. Random control of almost all functions in Live. As you grow, you can extend to custom hardware, video, and lights. You can possibly evolve to be a rocket science of media.

If you just want cool plug n play sounds, and you don't need to evolve technically with Live any further then possible, by all means go Reaktor.
Seriously, ze2be, are you responding to something I said? If so, quote it.

Use Live extensively? Come on...

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by ze2be » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:35 pm

Reaktor 5 or max4live

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by arachnaut » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:40 pm

ze2be wrote:
Reaktor 5 or max4live
... and that's a quote from? ...

Why do I bother with this?

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by ze2be » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:41 pm

arachnaut wrote:Look over Tone Deft quadrillion posts of rants and hyperbole and compare it to my simple, helpful posts. Make your own judgments. But don't be deceived by the adolescent knee-jerk response and the game of quantity over quality.

I think Tone needs a lot of psychological help and I have written to him in private posts to try to mellow him out.
Somebody is going to be the one who are available to write the most posts. Im here every day too, but my work doesn't give enough time to post a lot. Tone are lucky to work a place where he can post a lot. i agree he can be grumpy sometimes. But in regard to what he contributes to the community, this is just peanuts.

Looking at your post here, they speak for them selves. I don't even need to comment.

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by Martyn » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:42 pm

ze2be wrote:
Reaktor 5 & max4live
Fixed. 8)

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by q.musgrove » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:42 pm

arachnaut^dude... stop crying

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:47 pm

ze2be wrote:Look. are you using Live extensively? Macros and Racks, etc? If you like it and use it, you might have seen its limitations too. Macros can get a lot more stuff done with Max. LFOs galore, to ANYTHING in live. Random control of almost all functions in Live. As you grow, you can extend to custom hardware, video, and lights. You can possibly evolve to be a rocket science of media.

If you just want cool plug n play sounds, and you don't need to evolve technically with Live any further then possible, by all means go Reaktor.
that's a good point. the way max4Live can integrate into Live is very deep. I ran a demo patch and it freaked me out to watch an LFO control a send knob.

on the flip side, max4Live can only be used inside Live, so if you use other DAWs or prefer to run stuff without a DAW then Reaktor is a better choice.

over time m4L users should be putting out usable blocks of code so there will be no need to do the low level stuff except for 'glue logic' (little pieces of code to link larger blocks.) I hope to help make that happen. no being greedy with good patches, share so others can use them to make greater devices.

pardon the enthusiasm, I've been waiting for this for almost 3 years and it caused me to put off buying max/msp. it's probably the longest I've waited for any piece of software, ever.

hopefully arachnaut will come back around about max4Live, I take it the guy can code. I know he's not into flame wars, so let's drop it. :D
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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by arachnaut » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:55 pm

arachnaut wrote:...
Look over Tone Deft quadrillion posts of rants and hyperbole and compare it to my simple, helpful posts. Make your own judgments. But don't be deceived by the adolescent knee-jerk response and the game of quantity over quality.
...
I am guilty.

This is an 'ad hominem' attack and it says nothing about the good posts Tone Deft has made.

I apologize, sincerely, to Tone Deft.

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Re: Reaktor 5 or max4live

Post by ze2be » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:55 pm

Tone Deft wrote: pardon the enthusiasm, I've been waiting for this for almost 3 years and it caused me to put off buying max/msp. it's probably the longest I've waited for any piece of software, ever.
Man, Ive just started getting comfortable integrating macros and racks n my workflow! I just ordered an APC! Yay! :D I see the limitations now that I want to bring further in the near future!

Im in the middle of finishing an album, but as soon as I get time to study technically again, I will jump into M4L!

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