Korg nanoKONTROL

[dentaku]

i also have a user script set up so i can use the LPD8 like a control surface in live... aka it will automap the pads to any drumkit thats highlighted and the knobs to any macro bank thats highlighted automatically.

Could you share with us how to use Automap with an LPD8?

[Guff Tong]

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+1

[outershpongolia]

I'll run you guys through it later if you can't figure it out.

Inside of the scripts folder there's directions, and then throughout the script there are guides to help you put in the right CC's and that stuff..

[grimleyj]

+1
I have the same problem here. My remote script doesn't work for the LPD8 pads, but the knobs work fine. Can't for the life of me figure it out.

[outershpongolia]

it's channels 0-15.. so channel 1 is actually 0, 2 is 1, etc etc... That screwed me up.

I had the channel set at 10, but technically you need to put 9 for it to recognize it as 10.

I had the pads working, and all the knobs except for the first one working, and I couldn't figure out why the first one didn't work because I was almost positive that I had it correct.

The cool thing is, I was able to make a script for just the knobs, and a script for just the pads, and select them both at the same time in Live's pref's.

This way I could lock the pads to a drum rack, and lock the 8 knobs to something completely different, this is what I was going for in the first place, but why not just map those out to what I want? Cause they are going to stay the same, only advantage is using the drum rack to play any 16 pads that are selected by the drum rack, BUT you can't MIDI map moving that box around the drum cells? WHAT!? Really!?

[dentaku]

BUT you can't MIDI map moving that box around the drum cells? WHAT!? Really!?

I was wondering if the red box was moveable. That's annoying.

[outershpongolia]

mine's not red, it's just a black outline. I'm talking about the box around the cells in a drum rack that show you which cells you're controlling, not the red box that the APC40 and Launchpad put around the clip grid... As far as I know it's only moveable by clicking the mouse.. This may be why i'm going to rig up something with the pitch device in order to access all the drum cells with one scene on the LPD8.. The User Scripts would be perfect if you could midi map that damn box to a controller, if anyone knows what I'm missing let me know but I think it's just not going to happen..

[dentaku]

Yeah, your right. I guess I was thinking about the red box I've seen in APC/Launchpad videos. My Drum Rack box is black too.
I see that you can move it with the keyboard but you need to click on it with your mouse pointer first.

I think I already said this but anyway....
I have a group of -8 and +8 Pitch Devices in a chain that I stick before drum racks and map the Chain Selector macro to one of the knobs on the LPD8. The problem I found with this is that it changes to pitch (in this case the drum sound) of any recorded midi notes on that track so the only way to avoid this is to place the group of pitch devices into a "dummy clip" of sorts on another track and send the MIDI output of it to the track with the drumrack.

That's why the LPD8 needs transpose buttons.

[outershpongolia]

^^ Okay so you're saying if you have the pitch at say +8 and you record a clip it'll work fine but it's not recording the MIDI notes +8 unless you record from another track INTO that track..

I guess that makes sense. I wish the pitch device would actually pitch the MIDI notes in and record them into the clip that way, apparently that's not the case..

[bkg2018]

Hi all, I use Live 8, and recently buyed the nanoKONTROL. And pad and keys, but this is not relevant here. At first I thought that would be cool but very fast, it became obvious that it won't.

- Am I supposed to be a MIDI wizard programmer? I mean it's 2010 here, and reading the nano documentation, supposedly I know all about midi channels, CC control codes and all that? Come on ... I'm a casual musician, I buyed a cool modern Mac not to worry about technical problems, I buyed the cool Ableton Live 8 suite because it's only about music, and then I buy a simple USB controller and they tell me about rocket-science stuff coming right from the 80's and the Korg Kontrol Editor is terrifying, hardly mentioning any musical term... is this some kind of joke? How did that creepy thing get out of lab?

- Say I simply want the slider from tracks 1 to 8 to match the volume in tracks 1 to 8 of Live, okay I know how to do that manually but I have to create my tracks first, knowing exactly where I will use audio and midi tracks, this is a nonsense as opposed to Ableton Live spirit. Worse, I have to do the assignments for each new set. My Axiom 49 is easy to use: I have a preset which always makes sliders match tracks 1 to 8, whatever I do with tracks. Why is there no such preset available on nanoKontrol?

- I tried to get Myralfur's stuff which sounds like the answer to my questions but I 'm locked somewhere : where do I put these files ? Do I REALLY need to open the Live 8 application container to put something in there, meaning I will have to do it again at next update?

All in all I find the hardware cool enough but it looks like there is absolutely no Ableton Live support, and in fact the user software issue has been totally ignored, and this makes the product a hell to use.

If some of you peoples have answers to these kind of questions I'm asking myself I'd be glad to hear your point of view, and the tricks you use, because right know I feel I will sell all this korg nanoThing on ebay, loosing money but thinking about the APC or something more musician oriented...

[madlab]

Hi all, I use Live 8, and recently buyed the nanoKONTROL. And pad and keys, but this is not relevant here. At first I thought that would be cool but very fast, it became obvious that it won't.

- Am I supposed to be a MIDI wizard programmer? I mean it's 2010 here, and reading the nano documentation, supposedly I know all about midi channels, CC control codes and all that? Come on ... I'm a casual musician, I buyed a cool modern Mac not to worry about technical problems, I buyed the cool Ableton Live 8 suite because it's only about music, and then I buy a simple USB controller and they tell me about rocket-science stuff coming right from the 80's and the Korg Kontrol Editor is terrifying, hardly mentioning any musical term... is this some kind of joke? How did that creepy thing get out of lab?

- Say I simply want the slider from tracks 1 to 8 to match the volume in tracks 1 to 8 of Live, okay I know how to do that manually but I have to create my tracks first, knowing exactly where I will use audio and midi tracks, this is a nonsense as opposed to Ableton Live spirit. Worse, I have to do the assignments for each new set. My Axiom 49 is easy to use: I have a preset which always makes sliders match tracks 1 to 8, whatever I do with tracks. Why is there no such preset available on nanoKontrol?

- I tried to get Myralfur's stuff which sounds like the answer to my questions but I 'm locked somewhere : where do I put these files ? Do I REALLY need to open the Live 8 application container to put something in there, meaning I will have to do it again at next update?

All in all I find the hardware cool enough but it looks like there is absolutely no Ableton Live support, and in fact the user software issue has been totally ignored, and this makes the product a hell to use.

If some of you peoples have answers to these kind of questions I'm asking myself I'd be glad to hear your point of view, and the tricks you use, because right know I feel I will sell all this korg nanoThing on ebay, loosing money but thinking about the APC or something more musician oriented...

Understanding the midi protocol is a priority for all us guys intending to have real time control over multiple parameters. That's not rocket science because for now, there's nothing to replace midi...

[bkg2018]

Hi all, I use Live 8, and recently buyed the nanoKONTROL. And pad and keys, but this is not relevant here. At first I thought that would be cool but very fast, it became obvious that it won't.

- Am I supposed to be a MIDI wizard programmer? I mean it's 2010 here, and reading the nano documentation, supposedly I know all about midi channels, CC control codes and all that? Come on ... I'm a casual musician, I buyed a cool modern Mac not to worry about technical problems, I buyed the cool Ableton Live 8 suite because it's only about music, and then I buy a simple USB controller and they tell me about rocket-science stuff coming right from the 80's and the Korg Kontrol Editor is terrifying, hardly mentioning any musical term... is this some kind of joke? How did that creepy thing get out of lab?

- Say I simply want the slider from tracks 1 to 8 to match the volume in tracks 1 to 8 of Live, okay I know how to do that manually but I have to create my tracks first, knowing exactly where I will use audio and midi tracks, this is a nonsense as opposed to Ableton Live spirit. Worse, I have to do the assignments for each new set. My Axiom 49 is easy to use: I have a preset which always makes sliders match tracks 1 to 8, whatever I do with tracks. Why is there no such preset available on nanoKontrol?

- I tried to get Myralfur's stuff which sounds like the answer to my questions but I 'm locked somewhere : where do I put these files ? Do I REALLY need to open the Live 8 application container to put something in there, meaning I will have to do it again at next update?

All in all I find the hardware cool enough but it looks like there is absolutely no Ableton Live support, and in fact the user software issue has been totally ignored, and this makes the product a hell to use.

If some of you peoples have answers to these kind of questions I'm asking myself I'd be glad to hear your point of view, and the tricks you use, because right know I feel I will sell all this korg nanoThing on ebay, loosing money but thinking about the APC or something more musician oriented...

Understanding the midi protocol is a priority for all us guys intending to have real time control over multiple parameters. That's not rocket science because for now, there's nothing to replace midi...

I understand the need to control parameters in real time and the reasons why MIDI has been designed in the first place 25 years ago or so. I'm also fine with the fact that peoples like to push it to the limits and need full control over MIDI messages.

But understand my point of view:

- on Analog Arturia Experience keyboard, I simply need to turn a knob to play with my LFO in real time.

- if I want to assign a knob to a control in Live, I click on "midi", I click on the control in live, I turn my knob, and I can play.

- on my SH201 Roland, I simply play with any parameter I want, there is a controller for that and I can tell you forget MIDI very easily while playing with lots of controls in realtime.

More generaly I certainly don't NEED to know if it's sending a -127..+127 number for the 21CC on channel 2. This is a job for programmers. I do C++ or Objective C programming all day long and the last thing I want to think about when I plug my nanoKONTROL in my macBook is that 8-bit numbers / 16 channels old stuff. Mind me, I just want to play music. Arturia can give that to me, Ableton can, Roland can, but why Korg can't is a mistery to me

(By the way, Korg nano series doesn't include the traditionnal MIDI implementation chart, so you see they don't even match your desire ...)

[delicioso]

Myralfur's script is the answer. Very clear and easy instructions are provided. It's about as easy as it will get as far as setting up midi controllers other than using preloaded templates. Once it's setup you don't have to do it again (and you just copy over the relevant folder in the remote script folder within Live's application for each update). It's easy to customize the script further as the Korg Kontrol editor is about as easy as they come when it comes to midi template editors.

If you can't be bothered with that, perhaps you should stick to hardware. A MIDI controller setup does require more thinking and effort than using hardware.

[madlab]

In fact, I see what you want is what automap is supposed to do in the first place, and I must confess I was pretty disappointed after buying a nocturn to see that the parameter layouts hadn't been edited by novation to work without serious editing !!

[bkg2018]

Myralfur's script is the answer. Very clear and easy instructions are provided. It's about as easy as it will get as far as setting up midi controllers other than using preloaded templates. Once it's setup you don't have to do it again (and you just copy over the relevant folder in the remote script folder within Live's application for each update). It's easy to customize the script further as the Korg Kontrol editor is about as easy as they come when it comes to midi template editors.

If you can't be bothered with that, perhaps you should stick to hardware. A MIDI controller setup does require more thinking and effort than using hardware.

Thanks... I understand that a quite-generic controller like nanoKontrol cannot be ready-to-play for all the existing softwares behind the USB cable so of course there is a parameterizing step, given no preset is available in Live. But I've used Live 6 with an Axiom for 2 years without even hearing about the smallest midi CC so you can understand what I felt facing the nanoThingy...

I guess Myralfur's scripts are the answer. I'll come back if I have problems using them.