Please Help:Headphones for Mixing and Mastering+Monitoring ?

[SubFunk]

Ganz ruhich brauner. mach dir keinen kopf es wurd alless wieder gut.

now i understand, if my english is as bad as your german (not aiming at you personally, just using it as a reference!) then it all makes sense.

thanks a lot for clearing that up.

[the girl next door]

Ganz ruhich brauner. mach dir keinen kopf es wurd alless wieder gut.

now i understand, if my english is as bad as your german (not aiming at you personally, just using it as a reference!) then it all makes sense.

thanks a lot for clearing that up.

OK so its not a double s in alles. Anyway it wasn't me who was having a dig at you or have you forgotten that?

[SubFunk]

Ganz ruhich brauner. mach dir keinen kopf es wurd alless wieder gut.

now i understand, if my english is as bad as your german (not aiming at you personally, just using it as a reference!) then it all makes sense.

thanks a lot for clearing that up.

OK so its not a double s in alles. Anyway it wasn't me who was having a dig at you or have you forgotten that?

no, not at all... i said it's not aimed at you! i just used what you wrote as an reference. cause my english is that bad. i had that already a few times
around here and then people usually come up with that i should not blame it on the language... well my english is bad.
otherwise i would understand the OPs question, but i obviously don't. if i would, i would not write stupid crap. but i do.

so don't take it personally.

[rikhyray]

Ganz ruhich brauner. mach dir keinen kopf es wurd alless wieder gut. :wink:

now i understand, if my english is as bad as your german (not aiming at you personally, just using it as a reference!) then it all makes sense.

thanks a lot for clearing that up.

headphones for Beherrschung is entirely different and serious matter specially for those verliebt in ein Gegenstand, nicht war?
Couldnt resist, knowing the bubblefish wont disappoint so here your German version of OP

Möchten gute Kopfhörer, für das Mischen und die Beherrschung kaufen weil ich recht shitty Fostex P.M. 0.4 Monitoren habe sie sind für die Herstellung von Musik okay, aber jetzt möchte ich meine Liede erarbeiten, die ich denke, dass ich besseres etwas benötige Ich verliebte mich in das Optik-AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-M50 und ich mag, dass sie als guter Al Rounders beschrieben werden, aber andererseits fange ich an, möglicherweise dass zu denken, AKG bessere Tonqualität hat. I alles so wie der Blick weg von den preiswerten vom thomann: SUPERLUX HD-681 aber konnten sie für diesen Preis gut sein? Und was denken Sie an das neue SHURE SRH 840? Was Sie weg von den Kopfhörern für das Mischen und die Beherrschung denken irgendeine Empfehlung für das Kaufen ein? oder Sie haben Erfahrung mit einer weg von diesem? helfen Sie mir bitte, das rechte zu finden?

[SubFunk]

Ganz ruhich brauner. mach dir keinen kopf es wurd alless wieder gut.

now i understand, if my english is as bad as your german (not aiming at you personally, just using it as a reference!) then it all makes sense.

thanks a lot for clearing that up.

headphones for Beherrschung is entirely different and serious matter specially for those verliebt in ein Gegenstand, nicht war?
Couldnt resist, knowing the bubblefish wont disappoint so here your German version of OP

Möchten gute Kopfhörer, für das Mischen und die Beherrschung kaufen weil ich recht shitty Fostex P.M. 0.4 Monitoren habe sie sind für die Herstellung von Musik okay, aber jetzt möchte ich meine Liede erarbeiten, die ich denke, dass ich besseres etwas benötige Ich verliebte mich in das Optik-AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-M50 und ich mag, dass sie als guter Al Rounders beschrieben werden, aber andererseits fange ich an, möglicherweise dass zu denken, AKG bessere Tonqualität hat. I alles so wie der Blick weg von den preiswerten vom thomann: SUPERLUX HD-681 aber konnten sie für diesen Preis gut sein? Und was denken Sie an das neue SHURE SRH 840? Was Sie weg von den Kopfhörern für das Mischen und die Beherrschung denken irgendeine Empfehlung für das Kaufen ein? oder Sie haben Erfahrung mit einer weg von diesem? helfen Sie mir bitte, das rechte zu finden?

LOL

here is the google translator version...

Willst du gute Kopfhörer kaufen, für Mixing und Mastering
weil ich ziemlich beschissen Fostex PM 0,4-Monitore
sie sind in Ordnung für Musik zu machen, aber jetzt möchte ich meine Lieder i-Master glaube, ich brauche etwas besser
Ich verliebte mich in die Optik AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-M50 und Ich mag, dass sie so gut al Allrounder beschrieben werden,
Aber dann habe ich vielleicht denken AKG hat eine bessere Klangqualität.
i alles so wie der Blick aus dem billigen von Thomann: SUPERLUX HD-681, sondern könnten sie für diesen Preis gut?
Und was halten Sie von der neuen SHURE SRH 840?

Was Sie denken, aus Kopfhörer für Mixing und Mastering
eine Empfehlung für den Kauf ein?
oder Sie haben Erfahrung mit dieser einmalige?

Please Help Me Find the right one?

ROFL

like the yours better thou... mixing/mastering :: mischen/beherschung

Laughing my ass off.

[Da hand]

Ok, I have to speak up in support of Subfunk - not that he really needs it, but because this talk about doing final mixes or masters on headphones bugs the hell out of me.

I seriously doubt that there is any mixing / mastering engineer that has finished off a product for release on his headphones. Show me a mastering room with only headphones, please go ahead.

The way we hear things on headphones is completely different from the way we hear things from speakers. It comes down to the basics. If I play a sound only on the right channel on the headphones, I will only hear it on one ear - the right ear. If I play a sound only on the right channel on the monitors, I will hear it with both ears. The music played on monitors will have a different sum of frequencies hitting each ear than on headphones. Therefore, giving you a different mix. This is why people will notice a big difference in mixing a song on their headphones and then playing it on a pair of speakers.

Subfunk has stated many times that he is for using checks on both headphones and monitors to make a mix better (which I think is important as well), but one should not expect to make any professional or release ready mixes on just headphones. I agree.

And the arguments about not being able to use speakers to do your final mixdowns and masters on because of neighbours , spouses, etc are kind of ridiculous (It's like those questions which use "best" and "cheapest" in one question, lol). I would have to ask you at that point whether you are serious about your music making or is it just a very light hobby.

If you are even half-serious, then you can always find some kind of solutions - rent a small studio space with a bunch of friends and buy some equipment together and time-share, or take a music course at the university and have access to their studios, or tell your neighbours / spouce that for a few hours a week you need to make a bit of noise (mastering and mixing shouldn't be done too loud anyway), etc, etc.

With only headphones, you are fighting an impossible battle in giving your music the best mixes. With monitors you are at least giving your music a fighting chance.

[SubFunk]

Ok, I have to speak up in support of Subfunk - not that he really needs it, but because this talk about doing final mixes or masters on headphones bugs the hell out of me.

I seriously doubt that there is any mixing / mastering engineer that has finished off a product for release on his headphones. Show me a mastering room with only headphones, please go ahead.

The way we hear things on headphones is completely different from the way we hear things from speakers. It comes down to the basics. If I play a sound only on the right channel on the headphones, I will only hear it on one ear - the right ear. If I play a sound only on the right channel on the monitors, I will hear it with both ears. The music played on monitors will have a different sum of frequencies hitting each ear than on headphones. Therefore, giving you a different mix. This is why people will notice a big difference in mixing a song on their headphones and then playing it on a pair of speakers.

Subfunk has stated many times that he is for using checks on both headphones and monitors to make a mix better (which I think is important as well), but one should not expect to make any professional or release ready mixes on just headphones. I agree.

And the arguments about not being able to use speakers to do your final mixdowns and masters on because of neighbours , spouses, etc are kind of ridiculous (It's like those questions which use "best" and "cheapest" in one question, lol). I would have to ask you at that point whether you are serious about your music making or is it just a very light hobby.

If you are even half-serious, then you can always find some kind of solutions - rent a small studio space with a bunch of friends and buy some equipment together and time-share, or take a music course at the university and have access to their studios, or tell your neighbours / spouce that for a few hours a week you need to make a bit of noise (mastering and mixing shouldn't be done too loud anyway), etc, etc.

With only headphones, you are fighting an impossible battle in giving your music the best mixes. With monitors you are at least giving your music a fighting chance.

well put.

or spend the damn 150-200 euros on room treatment before spending them on a pair of cans... it's also about a chain of importance/sense...
first spend money on either a room treatment or decent monitors... THEN buy headphones as an accomplishment.

[twisted-space]

Do you lot not read threads before you post in them?

I would not use headphones for mastering, without a real speaker reference as well.

i would definately not use headphones for mastering any music. I might listen to the mastererd track to see how it sits with the headphones....

I think you are right Mixing and Mastering Headphones only makes no sense, but as i told i have this small Fostex Pm 0,4 Monitors but I have problems with the bass and sub sounds. For Monitors the speaker have quite small Membrane!
Now i am looking for some way to check the low end without buying new Monitors.
And i needed good Headphones anyway! Especially i work on my music in my apartment during nighttime a lot!

But i thought good Headphones could be a good reference for mix down and mastering my Music, but it was never meant to be using Headphone only, but to be added and to complement my mastering equipment.
(anyway i am not a Pro so mastering will be on a low level)

[rikhyray]

So Google cleared it out all you need is "i-Master" (coming in Applestores) and "dass sie so gut al Allrounder beschrieben werden"
Beherrschung complete-problem solved.

[the girl next door]

Ganz ruhich brauner. mach dir keinen kopf es wurd alless wieder gut.

now i understand, if my english is as bad as your german (not aiming at you personally, just using it as a reference!) then it all makes sense.

thanks a lot for clearing that up.

headphones for Beherrschung is entirely different and serious matter specially for those verliebt in ein Gegenstand, nicht war?
Couldnt resist, knowing the bubblefish wont disappoint so here your German version of OP

Möchten gute Kopfhörer, für das Mischen und die Beherrschung kaufen weil ich recht shitty Fostex P.M. 0.4 Monitoren habe sie sind für die Herstellung von Musik okay, aber jetzt möchte ich meine Liede erarbeiten, die ich denke, dass ich besseres etwas benötige Ich verliebte mich in das Optik-AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-M50 und ich mag, dass sie als guter Al Rounders beschrieben werden, aber andererseits fange ich an, möglicherweise dass zu denken, AKG bessere Tonqualität hat. I alles so wie der Blick weg von den preiswerten vom thomann: SUPERLUX HD-681 aber konnten sie für diesen Preis gut sein? Und was denken Sie an das neue SHURE SRH 840? Was Sie weg von den Kopfhörern für das Mischen und die Beherrschung denken irgendeine Empfehlung für das Kaufen ein? oder Sie haben Erfahrung mit einer weg von diesem? helfen Sie mir bitte, das rechte zu finden?

AKG haben geile qualität und das wegen habe ich die AKG K701. Für mich sind die der hammer. Hast du die schon probiert? Mann kann die testen in Music store, Köln

[SubFunk]

Do you lot not read threads before you post in them?

I would not use headphones for mastering, without a real speaker reference as well.

i would definately not use headphones for mastering any music. I might listen to the mastererd track to see how it sits with the headphones....

I think you are right Mixing and Mastering Headphones only makes no sense, but as i told i have this small Fostex Pm 0,4 Monitors but I have problems with the bass and sub sounds. For Monitors the speaker have quite small Membrane!
Now i am looking for some way to check the low end without buying new Monitors.
And i needed good Headphones anyway! Especially i work on my music in my apartment during nighttime a lot!

But i thought good Headphones could be a good reference for mix down and mastering my Music, but it was never meant to be using Headphone only, but to be added and to complement my mastering equipment.
(anyway i am not a Pro so mastering will be on a low level)

yes.

they are in the same boat.

[rikhyray]

JannisPablo wrote:
I think you are right Mixing and Mastering Headphones only makes no sense, but as i told i have this small Fostex Pm 0,4 Monitors but I have problems with the bass and sub sounds. For Monitors the speaker have quite small Membrane!
Now i am looking for some way to check the low end without buying new Monitors.
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As a matter of fact bass is the most deceiving while working with headphones, 90% of issues detected with monitors (after initial work with headphones only) are bass related. Sorry for bad news but that is my experience and I suppose not only mine. I tried ,used all major brands (checking same mix with different top models of Sony,Sennhs,AKG,Beyer closed and open) but this cant be solved with cans only. I really tried everything possible, perhaps it is physical impossibility. That is also main reason I use Genelec set with sub,to detect problems. Obviously cheap monitor set wont be any better, mostly worse than good headphones, the conclusion - if you dont have your own check your final results on someone elses system.

[Tarekith]

It's not what you say, it's the way you say it.

Now you sound like my wife

I think headphones can be really useful when mixing myself, I use a pair to reference with when I think I'm done. Great way to spot any issues you might have missed, give yourself a fresh perspective. I wouldn't use ONLY headphones for mixing, but I think it's a good tool to compliment some monitors in the studio.

[twisted-space]

@ Tarekith
I know, my partner say's stuff like that too, maybe it's rubbing of on me.

In my first reply to the op i suggested a small sub to go with his monitors might be a better alternative to headphones. Everyone but the op seems to have ignored that.

[lanno]

hey there folks!
i'm searching for a cheaper studio headphones. i do have a pioneer sedj-5000, but since i don't dj i don't feel the benefits of the pio. i need something more comfy.
so i was browsing through thomann's webstore and saw the superlux headphones. i don't see the trick why are they so cheap.
anyone tried these things?
http://www.thomann.de/at/superlux_hd_668_b.htm
http://www.thomann.de/at/superlux_hd_681_b.htm

they kinda look like akg phones