8.1.3???

[hoffman2k]

seeing as how Ableton now apparently owes you an entire beer factory for your bug tracking the price shouldn't matter.

Ableton employees can be bribed with beer, you should definitely try it sometime. And on that note:

I'd buy you guys a beer, anytime. That should be worth something...

Let me buy you one instead. I insist!

[taximouse]

i plan on testing once i'm done with my current project...

in the meantime, i'm curious if anyone has come across these 8.1.1 issues in 8.1.3beta:


1. in certain situations MIDI-triggered recording causes Live to crash
2. pops recorded into audio files at repeat bar-line when recording in arrangement view
3. occasional loud pops on clip fades when using reverb plugins
4. while MIDI-triggered recording in session view: pops in master output at end of bar (but not recorded into audio file)

ta! zoe

[HeadrickProductions]

That is what I'm talking about. A little motivation via a beer per bug is something that would get a little more people on board. So if I download this new version of 8.1.3 R there is nothing that can screw up my computer. That is my main concern because I don't have that program yet to copy the iso of the computer.

That is my concern. As well I do not know the first thing about bug reports, or crash logs, or any of the tech. side of these programs (otherwise I'd apply for a job). I am a musician who has just really gotten obsessed with what programs like this and reason can do for real musicians. Someone said that there is something in this new beta that does this for me...Is this true. If so I'll download it.

Call me selfish, but it would be nice to get something for my time spent helping, but I guess I will be able to get a more stable program....and that should be enough.

It can't be easier. It automatically creates a pack if it crashes. If there's a bug that doesn't cause crashes, you can do a bugreport snapshot which also creates a pack. That pack has all the info Ableton needs.
Email it in and they'll take it from there.

The reward to go for is definitely a more stable Live. That is the reason I'm trying to talk you into this. Its a reward we can all enjoy.

You don't need an entire ISO copy. Multiple versions of Live can coexist. And as Dennis already pointed out earlier, a beta library ensures that your current library isn't overwritten. It's basically a second library folder. I'd still suggest backing up the library regularly though. Just don't overwrite current project files should you need to go back.
But what the hell, I pledge a beer should you have to go back to 8.1.1. Of which I'm sure you wont, since 8.1.3 is a significant improvement and thanks to 3phase we can expect even some tighter MIDI in an upcoming update.

I'm done pledging beers for today. I can get the best beer cheap enough, but shipping is murder when I follow trough.

can you explain the bug report snap shot????

or is it obvious if I download the 8.1.3 beta

Thanks for convincing me...Sometime, as we all do, I just get frustrated and don't want to try new things.

but i do love what live has to offer and we need to get her back on track

Have not made it to your country yet cause if i do they'll have to drag me out kicking and screaming just like the swiss had to

[H20nly]

I'd buy you guys a beer, anytime. That should be worth something...

Dennis... get yourself to Oakland, San Francisco or Berkeley when all this gets sorted out... your beers are on me... I hope I'm not out of line here but; I bet at bare minimum taximouse would at least recommend us a good spot to have one in SF and I'm pretty sure Tone Deft would drink one with us...

Not that thats a hell of a motivator, but hang in there... your path is straight and there will always be naysayers. Just don't let em get to you.

@ HeadrickProductions I think I see a light at the end of this tunnel.

@ 3phase, you grumpy motherfucker... find out when Dennis is going to be here and come on!.. we're doing shots!!

I hope you like tequila.

[H20nly]

@ hoffman2k I think the bartender will pour one more for you too....


Here's to stability!

Cheers!!

[Joshua Lee]

thanks for the input....might give her a whirl soon. I am sure there are some people working very hard to fix these issues, but I am a skeptic by nature.

you're joking, right? did you read the Quality thread? all new development has been halted. that's a huge deal. of course they're working on it.

one thing you seem to be missing is that users are beta testers and Ableton needs users to work WITH THEM to identify bugs.

Surely YOU'RE the one who must be joking here... Because the one thing you seem to be missing is that users shouldn't have to be beta testers for an application they PAID for a long time ago. I already beta tested it back before the software came out, at that point the ball was in Ableton's court and they should not have pushed forward if the product was not ready. So please don't try to convince me that the Abes are doing me some grand favor by halting development, when that is the only right thing to do in this situation.

[outershpongolia]

cool, but did Live hold up through this epic trainwreck? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzod3CotfAg

This guy is my new hero

This went over my head.. I thought this was going to be a video of an Ableton rep demoing the product and it crashes on them.. Isn't there a vid of that?

[Hermanus]

ableton will spread beers all over the world

[Tone Deft]

thanks for the input....might give her a whirl soon. I am sure there are some people working very hard to fix these issues, but I am a skeptic by nature.

you're joking, right? did you read the Quality thread? all new development has been halted. that's a huge deal. of course they're working on it.

one thing you seem to be missing is that users are beta testers and Ableton needs users to work WITH THEM to identify bugs.

Surely YOU'RE the one who must be joking here... Because the one thing you seem to be missing is that users shouldn't have to be beta testers for an application they PAID for a long time ago. I already beta tested it back before the software came out, at that point the ball was in Ableton's court and they should not have pushed forward if the product was not ready. So please don't try to convince me that the Abes are doing me some grand favor by halting development, when that is the only right thing to do in this situation.

YO!! chill out. people have been using that same rant for a year now, I get it more than you can imagine.

1. you offer no solution, please feel free to do so at any time. ideas like yours would get us nowhere, please think this through. we're here to discuss ideas, in this case, how the hell can we get Live 8.1 up to snuff. this is a product that has been out for a year and NOW they're fixing this shit? wow. so that's the past, let's look towards the future.

2. how can Ableton fix a problem they don't hear about?

3. how can Ableton know a problem is fixed until they stop hearing about it?

4. does it really take that much time out of your day to send a .als file? I care about this product, it's a LOT of fun. I want it to work, I want it to expand. that's enough for me to put some effort into being a helpful user. oh, not to mention that Dennis, dom, Amo, Gerhard, Henke and all those guys are really nice people that give us direct feedback, I do feel closer to this product than anything else I've bought, ever.

6. you're wrong. read the last line:
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 7#p1108957

Ableton is being completely up front about this, showing MASSIVE amounts of humility, the Cubase, Logic, PT, FL, DP etc guys have to be LOL-ing their asses off over this. guys like you just want to scream and spit in Ableton's face and get up in my face about it. what more do you want from them? a stable release? well, they've been very up front about what that takes, our cooperation.

this is a trying time, users HATE reading that they need to be testers, I totally understand that, I've had that discussion with many many posters, a YEAR ago, people were PISSED. how can software be tested without user feedback? Ableton manned up, showed some balls, admitted to the problems, stopped all new development in the midst of a m4L and Bridge release (ouch) and are directly answering peoples' problems on the forum. your anger does nothing to fix anything. I agree users shouldn't have to beta test, we paid good money for this product and glitchy, crashing software is a real big fucking buzz kill on my valuable free time when I want to create art. I really hate computers, this is the shit end of the computer world, cooler heads must prevail.

I await YOUR solution. seriously, what do you think is the best way to move forward with this? we all want the same thing.

[Moody]

Users (Customers) as testers... not in the computer world! I guess most of the people on here have been compiling their own kernels and not using any consumer products. The bizarre thing is that Live 8 has worked for me since day one.

[Tarekith]

My solution is that Ableton needs to HIRE more testers than they have currently. People PAID to put this software through it's paces more fully than the developers have been before it's released. I GET that it's not an ideal situation right now, and that they can't predict every use people will put the software through. But I still think that they need more effort on their end to solve these problems, and not put that burden on their end users.

If I use Cubase and it crashes, it sucks, I'm bummed, but I reload the session and move on.

If I use Logic and it crashes. Damn, not happy (flock Apple), but within 30 seconds I can reboot and keep plugging away.

If I use an app designed from day one as a live performance app and even called LIVE and it crashes while I'm playing live in front of an audience through no fault of my own, that's a completely different story.

If you're claim to fame is having software so solid that it can be used for live shows (cough Depeche Mode cough), then you need to make that your #1 priority. It's cool if people like it as a DAW and find it intuitive and easy (even fun) to use to write songs in. But first and foremost this has always been an app catering to the performing electronic musician, and a humble and sincere Quality Statement posted on a forum does not make me a more confident musician on stage. I applaud the openness and the intent, but at the end of the day this is version 8 of an established platform, and each release just seems to get more and more buggy.


I admit, I'm touchy about this right now. I have a really important gig on Saturday that relies 100% on Live, and I'm still getting random crashes. I started with version 4, and up through version 6 things were great. Starting with Live 7, it's been hit or miss, and Live 8 has frankly been a mess. I know they want to fix it, but just saying "we're sorry" doesn't help much at the moment. I'd rather hear that 200 people were temporarily hired to help look into these issues and sort the problems out. Irrational yes, but so are my misgivings going into a big gig hoping it all holds up.

[Tone Deft]

nice. excellent points, but your solution involves a time machine. they have a very very very crash infested user base to work with, far more than 200 people.

I only paid ~$130 for the Live 8 upgrade. holy @#$% if I had paid nearly $1k for the whole Live 8 Suite bundle and had crashes I'd probably be wiring 2 dozen oil barrels of ammonium nitrate in the Ableton HQ basement. henke might want to do a building sweep.

best of luck, practice your fade out to the mp3 player. the 'live' aspect to Live does dictate stability over anything else. I hope the Abes print that part of your post BANNER SIZE and hang it over the lunch room.

I am in no way saying the status quo is right, I'm just looking for the best way forward. it should not have happened, hopefully lessons will be learned.

[Machinesworking]

My solution is that Ableton needs to HIRE more testers than they have currently. People PAID to put this software through it's paces more fully than the developers have been before it's released. I GET that it's not an ideal situation right now...

I agree, I volunteer every time to beta test, but frankly it's a lot of work to set up time to work on a version of Live you may not be able to use right away, when 7 was released I didn't have the money that day, and 8 was too buggy for me out the door. I do feel kind of bad that I didn't send more emails saying it wasn't ready etc. but I'm certain one person wouldn't have stopped a scheduled release.

a humble and sincere Quality Statement posted on a forum does not make me a more confident musician on stage. I applaud the openness and the intent, but at the end of the day this is version 8 of an established platform, and each release just seems to get more and more buggy.


I admit, I'm touchy about this right now. I have a really important gig on Saturday that relies 100% on Live, and I'm still getting random crashes. I started with version 4, and up through version 6 things were great. Starting with Live 7, it's been hit or miss, and Live 8 has frankly been a mess.

Honestly this last version of 7 is solid as hell for me. Have you tried rolling back? They released a final version well after 8 came out, and it's been rock steady. My solution to the problem is sad IMO, but I can't afford to beta test for Ableton on live shows, so I'm staying a version behind until people like you who I know not to use half as many VST/AUs as I do, or have the ridiculous amount of controllers I do, are happy. Also as you mentioned, all software I've used for over 5 years goes through a bad version. I do think that a sad fact of software is that a professional musician pretty much should always stay a version behind. Makes total sense, the last bug fixes should produce the most stable version of that release. I dream about group tracks though.

Post your show info BTW, unless it's a private party or something. Broke as usual, but if I can I would love to see you play, even if Live nose dives. I could bring one of my louder more obnoxious friends to cause a scene as soon as the laptop goes down, distracting the audience.

[Tarekith]

Unfortunately my entire set is done in Live 8 only, no way I can recreate it all in 7 in time.

The show is Saturday at Chop Suey, 9-10, opening for Luisine, Shen, and one of the guys from The Orb. Live workshop from 6:30-8:30 at Electric Tea Garden that day too btw. The decibel guys are throwing this event and the workshop if you need to google for more info.

[Machinesworking]

Unfortunately my entire set is done in Live 8 only, no way I can recreate it all in 7 in time.

The show is Saturday at Chop Suey, 9-10, opening for Luisine, Shen, and one of the guys from The Orb. Live workshop from 6:30-8:30 at Electric Tea Garden that day too btw. The decibel guys are throwing this event and the workshop if you need to google for more info.

Probably be able to make the workshop, probably too broke for the show.
This, is a great reason to request the most user friendly Digital Performer feature ever, Save Project As DP version 6, 5, 4..
Seriously, that's one of the most thoughtful DAW features I've ever seen implemented. Don't know if DP is unique that way? but it's not in Logic or Live.
Considering Live is a live performance device, and software is prone to unforeseen issues, (I don't think any manufacturer wants this kind of strife), this is becoming IMO the #1 new feature needed.