About this community - Much love, but.. be more friendly..

[SubFunk]

and we don't OWN this place but we MAKE it so get involved actively! or shut up.

[contakt321]

Sorry you have had some rough experiences Geiseric.

That said, I really do agree with what Tone, Sub, and Swish have said.

This forum is incredibly active, and granted, their are a few jokers, and a few jerks, but for the most part, every question I have asked (note: I research first, then ask articulately) has been answered, generally with several people offering expertise and opinions. Similarly, I, much like many others, do my best to answer any question asked (when asked after researching, and asked articulately) with useful advice when we know the answers. This is everything from beginner to totally advanced esoteric questions.

Lastly, I haven't seen many RTFM responses at all in the last few months or even year.

[UKRuss]

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE.

Tone is David Cameron?

[d-track]

i never had this kind of issue on this forum. though i ask things rarely here, i usually bumping meaningless text like now haha
and i never read the manual. i use the hints panel

[Tone Deft]

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE.

Tone is David Cameron?

if he's like American conservatives I'd gladly shoot myself in the head if I was.

[dancing Ray]

I had to learn to RTFM, too, before bothering others.

[geiseric]

If this were a physical place, and we were simply conversing, I guarantee the tone would be infinity more civil. But, because of the thin layer of anonymity that the internet provides, its somehow acceptable to be meaninglessly inflammatory. I am not naive- I realize that this problem isn't merely this community.

I just want to learn without the negative environment, but apparently that is too much to ask.

I asked you to be friendly, and half of you take turns jumping down my throat while the other half agrees that doing so is a good plan. Way to be. Is that really how you want to present yourselves as a community? Pathetic. I'm done with this forum, this is obviously not a community I want to involve myself with at all.

[SubFunk]

If this were a physical place, and we were simply conversing, I guarantee the tone would be infinity more civil. But, because of the thin layer of anonymity that the internet provides, its somehow acceptable to be meaninglessly inflammatory. I am not naive- I realize that this problem isn't merely this community.

I just want to learn without the negative environment, but apparently that is too much to ask.

I asked you to be friendly, and half of you take turns jumping down my throat while the other half agrees that doing so is a good plan. Way to be. Is that really how you want to present yourselves as a community? Pathetic. I'm done with this forum, this is obviously not a community I want to involve myself with at all.

well, you haven't met me in real...

[Tone Deft]

If this were a physical place, and we were simply conversing, I guarantee the tone would be infinity more civil. But, because of the thin layer of anonymity that the internet provides, its somehow acceptable to be meaninglessly inflammatory. I am not naive- I realize that this problem isn't merely this community.

I just want to learn without the negative environment, but apparently that is too much to ask.

I asked you to be friendly, and half of you take turns jumping down my throat while the other half agrees that doing so is a good plan. Way to be. Is that really how you want to present yourselves as a community? Pathetic. I'm done with this forum, this is obviously not a community I want to involve myself with at all.

the tone of this forum is a shock to you yet you've been a long time lurker? this doesn't add up.


maybe this will help you learn, it's common knowledge to most of us. Red vs. Blue regarding the interwebs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRnoUNwFOkE
I'm off to masturbate. (watch the video)

[kb420]

I just want to learn without the negative environment, but apparently that is too much to ask.

I asked you to be friendly, and half of you take turns jumping down my throat while the other half agrees that doing so is a good plan. Way to be. Is that really how you want to present yourselves as a community? Pathetic.

Yes!!! That's the way it's always been. Who the hell do you think you are to try and reinvent the wheel here??????????


Someone check and see if this guy forgot to take his meds today!!!!!

[contakt321]

I'm done with this forum, this is obviously not a community I want to involve myself with at all.

I am not sure the internet is for you, the responses here have been joking, yet civil, and honest. If you get bent out of shape because people don't agree with you, you may be better off with a classroom environment, youtube, or spending time with the manual as opposed to a message board.

[leedsquietman]

The forum has some tetchy people and some sarcastic people who write mean things in the spirit of humour, but you can do a lot worse than this board, and there are genuinely helpful people (many) who know their stuff. Tone and SF are really stand up people who have helped many but they're only human - sometimes they get p*ssed off at reading the same old requests (which sound card, which monitors, which controller, mac vs pc, etc which surface several times in a month sometimes). This and obvious stuff which is right there in the manual.

If you want support from Ableton re- the product, all you have to do is e-mail [email protected] and if this scary board with it's mean people is too much you have the option not to visit. This is a very lightly moderated forum and nowhere in the T&C does it say 'it is compulsory to be super helpful and super nice to everyone'.

You can always try and actually read the manual, it's an informative read and if you don't own the boxed version, it is available as a .pdf file. A lot of people asking for help are obviously running cracked software, ferchrissakes, spend some time reading the manual. If you bought a kit computer, or kit electronics, you wouldn't wipe your ass on the manual and try to build something complex without help, unless you are a doofus. Failing this, there are lots of tutorials, including many free ones on YouTube. thats http://www.youtube.com for those who don't know the power of Google ....

You can enjoy yourself on this site, so long as you don't take yourself too seriously and realize what banter is ... and if someone disses you, feel freee to hit back at them with some witty response

[Tamar UK]

This is actually the most friendly, mature forum i have ever been a member of which is quite an achievement considering the hands off approach to moderating posts that ableton choose to take.

I don't really get how people are so offended by RTFM answers when in 99% of cases, that is the most helpful answer. only thing that bugs me is maybe add a page number to the RTFM

[SubFunk]

^^^ very nicely put, and you can be sure that the majority of the people around here love, seriously love this place, because it is very special, we have a lot of fun and human interaction (and that includes good and bad, just like real people are) besides the 'issue ableton and music' and that makes it such a special place, you don't like it, fine... seek elsewhere... no one forces you to enjoy it here as we do.

what was your problem with Liv[f]e again?

[H20nly]

If this were a physical place, and we were simply conversing, I guarantee the tone would be infinity more civil. But, because of the thin layer of anonymity that the internet provides, its somehow acceptable to be meaninglessly inflammatory. I am not naive- I realize that this problem isn't merely this community.

I just want to learn without the negative environment, but apparently that is too much to ask.

I asked you to be friendly, and half of you take turns jumping down my throat while the other half agrees that doing so is a good plan. Way to be. Is that really how you want to present yourselves as a community? Pathetic. I'm done with this forum, this is obviously not a community I want to involve myself with at all.

I don't think this post ^ is going to help your cause. It sounds more like what you're saying is I'm sensitive. I don't know where you live or went to school, but I've been all over... a dude that stands there and won't play because he is too sensitive is gonna get ripped on by all the other kids. <-- Period

I completely agree with what you're saying regarding being cool with one another and with the RTFM manual statements. I also agree with what Tone Deft and Sub Funk are getting at which is put up or shut up. I won't claim to be any type or expert on Live, but I'll chime in and offer some advice or an opinion. I'll also make a joke or 2 that in retrospect could be looked at as kinda cuntish (cue affirmation from RAVE in 3...2..). People are people and some things are just standard, like RTFM responses. Best thing to do, skip that response and read the next one. Somebody usually sees the RTFM post(s) and will take pity and offer up more. Thats the ebb and flow, wheat and chaff...

Instead of letting the posts in THIS thread bother you, try laughing at them a little. Its okay.