About this community - Much love, but.. be more friendly..

[davepermen]

I'm still trying to get used to the arrogance and ignorance in the behavior on the internet (and in real life). i just can't stand such behavior (and normally react with arrogance and ignorance myself, hrrhrr )

but it pisses me off, too. i expected a better, more open community in here. but it looks like musicians are even more self-protecting egoistic pricks in some cases than i thought..

maybe i get used to it. maybe i will again start bashing people for behaving like annoying dorks, we'll see

[SubFunk]

I'm still trying to get used to the arrogance and ignorance in the behavior on the internet (and in real life). i just can't stand such behavior (and normally react with arrogance and ignorance myself, hrrhrr )

but it pisses me off, too. i expected a better, more open community in here. but it looks like musicians are even more self-protecting egoistic pricks in some cases than i thought..

maybe i get used to it. maybe i will again start bashing people for behaving like annoying dorks, we'll see

oh my gawd, if you think this place (and the majority of people around here) is not open... then it's yourself staying in your own way, maybe you are the one that should open up! or seriously stopping being a crying girl.
(and that with the girl is in that case not a joke!)

dave grow up!

[davepermen]

haven't said it's not open. i just see no point in exactly the tone you show up. it's just useless rude. and i know you feel like you need to be that way, so continue that way. i think it's useless and contraproductive to an actual community, which is about sharing and helping each other, and learning from each other. at least imho.

but as i know, your views are different. sadly, imho, so.

[SubFunk]

haven't said it's not open. i just see no point in exactly the tone you show up. it's just useless rude. and i know you feel like you need to be that way, so continue that way. i think it's useless and contraproductive to an actual community, which is about sharing and helping each other, and learning from each other. at least imho.

but as i know, your views are different. sadly, imho, so.

exactly that is not happening around here at all.

well, then remain a little crying girl, i have no problem with that.

btw, why are you sticking around then when the forum is so 'useless' and no one actually helps or contributes valuable knowledge for free... he?

[davepermen]

if i would by crying, then.. now i would by crying.

i just feel sad for people acting like you, feeling the need for that to "show their intelligence and manliness".

and the op feels the same. rude != mature, rude != intelligent and rude != cool. but insecure people need that to make themselves feel good, integrate into some social world, seen it often enough.

so, stop crying yourself. try to make one polite post instead, show that you can behave like an adult one time..


edit:

i said SOME, not everyone. and even those that behave like rude dicks sometimes are helpful and informative, you included. you're very knowledgeable, and thus i honour your posts. but the style is very.. depressing.

[SubFunk]

if you believe i am (or anyone else for that matter around here) is rude, then maybe you need to step out of mommies protection once...
might be an eye opening experience.

[davepermen]

if you believe i am (or anyone else for that matter around here) is rude, then maybe you need to step out of mommies protection once...
might be an eye opening experience.

still rude. and i'm out of that zone since a while. (which is why i lost believe in rudeness as a useful tool... that was fun as a teenager)

but you know, politeness doesn't hurt. it actually helps.

and yes, you are, sometimes, rude. which is why, sometimes, you get rude replies. "C'est le ton qui fait la musique", which is sorta funny, as we're on a forum about creating music.

(oh, and "wie du mir, so ich dir".. "wie man in den wald ruft..." etc.. meaning if you want nice behaviour, you should .. uhm.. behave nice. which is why i try (and fail at it sometimes) to do that)

[SubFunk]

but the style is very.. depressing.

take some clean MDMA, that will help.

[davepermen]

but the style is very.. depressing.

take some clean MDMA, that will help.

not needed. but thanks for your artificial care

[Pitch Black]

may i point us all to tha gospel according to Dom?


http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=98872


Dear all,

Following are a few words which are supposed to help us all when using the
Ableton forum and making it as pleasant as possible.

There is so much (partially overlapping, partially also contrary)
information on the so-called Netiquette available on the Internet that
at this point, we would like to only refer to some resources. For those who would
like to know some more detail on the world of
netiquette might want to start with this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette

Here, we would rather like to emphasize the 'social' part of the so- called
Netiquette.
Please try to always remember that there are also humans on the other end of
the 'line'.
This is why you might want to not be using too much slang-vocabulary as
the forum-community includes people from a lot of different countries and
slang can often be either not understood at all or misinterpreted.
Just the same, especially new members of the forum require help and
respectively a friendly and co-operative behavior. Therefore we would like
you to be friendly, helpful and respectful.

Please also consider that a lot of minors visit this place and therefore sexually
explicit content should be avoided, too.

This means that each forum-user can contribute to the forum being found to
be a pleasant place by giving a good example him- or herself. Because
somebody who is treated in a friendly manner is probably much rather willing
and motivated to treat others friendly as well.

In this forum we trust in the ability of the
Ableton-community to manage the forum themselves.
We don't intend to introduce any kind of censorship, you're free to express
your opinion - but please try to do so in a decent manner.

In extreme cases of offensive language, sexually explicit content, personal fights etc.
we may ask you to restate what you want to express without violating this code of behavior.
Please cooperate if you get such a request from us as we hate the idea of having to
exclude people from this forum against their will.



Legal notice:

In general every forum member is responsible for their own postings in terms of
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In certain cases we are required by German legislation to change, or in
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has been the absolute exception.




Kind regards and have fun,
Dom

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[SubFunk]

In this forum we trust in the ability of the
Ableton-community to manage the forum themselves.

show me one, just one other forum that works so well, like this one... and at the same time containing so much valuable information...

it is exactly those little encounters between people like dave and me (just as an example, cause it just now occurred) that makes this forum so wonderful and not so boring and sterile like the nerd fest at KVR or gearslutz... for example.

your rude boy!

[Machinesworking]

but it pisses me off, too. i expected a better, more open community in here. but it looks like musicians are even more self-protecting egoistic pricks in some cases than i thought..

maybe i get used to it. maybe i will again start bashing people for behaving like annoying dorks, we'll see

God complex much?
Seriously, you, do, not, get, to, control, this, community, at, all, period!

Let me put it as simply as possible for you, you do not get to set the tone of the community,
you can choose to ignore those that you don't 'approve' of, but from what I can tell, (sorry, nothing personal),
you're not some grand effective troll who can bash people. Seriously, good luck, because I think you couldn't possibly win any battle of wits with most of the "egoistic pricks" on here. First off, you're entirely guilty from the start of thinking that the community should meet your standards of quality and openness. This basically means you think you should have a say in how others behave, so you're a control freak, and have a messiah complex. Not the best place to start in terms of battling to save the community.
Why don't you try posting only positive things and ignoring that which you don't like about the forums?
If that's what you want the forums to be like the only rational solution is to lead by your own example. If you post how 'you alone will white knight your way to victory for the greater good' which is about as egotistical and out of touch as you can post, then at least I will taunt and laugh at you about it.

@pitch black, yeah sure whatever, was wondering when someone would post that... jesus this whole thread is a repeat of so many just like it that I'm starting to think I'm in some sort of time loop?

[davepermen]

well, ompf is one, but it's not as big by any means. it's about raytracing 3d graphics development.

and yes, all forums have those issues, or then they have the ban-hammer issues (and most with ban-hammers have actually both )

doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best, does it?


in other news, should the lounge be declared "18+ only"? for being such a sausage fest..

[SubFunk]

God complex much?
Seriously, you, do, not, get, to, control, this, community, at, all, period!

well, i don't really want to break a huge discussion loose, but he feels a bit like, well let's put it into polite words for him, very intolerant!
but he thinks we are, well that is a serious complex.

[davepermen]

God complex much?
Seriously, you, do, not, get, to, control, this, community, at, all, period!

nothing to do with a god complex. i am just an optimistic guy, so i thought uh nice, this could be a nice place.

Let me put it as simply as possible for you, you do not get to set the tone of the community,

but it's worth trying anyways. or do you have anything against "be more friendly"?

you can choose to ignore those that you don't 'approve' of, but from what I can tell, (sorry, nothing personal),

ignoring never helps, which is why i don't do that normally. looks like it's a behaviour one gets used to in cities (the places where people die on streets because all the others just walk over and don't want to help, as ignoring is better for them)

you're not some grand effective troll who can bash people. Seriously, good luck, because I think you couldn't possibly win any battle of wits with most of the "egoistic pricks" on here.

i don't care, as i don't plan to be a troll. but if one isn't nice, i guess i'm allowed to say that.

First off, you're entirely guilty from the start of thinking that the community should meet your standards of quality and openness.

no i never had standards. i just hoped people would be less rude. quality in here is great, so is openness. there are some foul eggs of course, like everywhere.

This basically means you think you should have a say in how others behave, so you're a control freak, and have a messiah complex. Not the best place to start in terms of battling to save the community.

not at all. but if i say "you're an **** (insert word of choice)", you're allowed to counter and say "i don't the way you behave". if one pisses on me, or is rude, am i not allowed to counter? this is not about control freaking, or anything. i just don't like to get pissed on, and counter.

If you post how 'you alone will white knight your way to victory for the greater good' which is about as egotistical and out of touch as you can post, then at least I will taunt and laugh at you about it.

as said, i don't have any white knight goal. i try my part to help where ever i can. which includes to point out misbehavior, or wrong statements. this is just obvious, nothing messiahs thing or white knight. i just think if we behave politely, we get more out of the community. and in the end, that is why we're in this forum, isn't it? to gain from each other, help each other, learn from each other.

and to have fun, of course.