Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by dum » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:25 pm

Vibrations wrote: Any experiences?

wow, what a surprise.

The OP specifically asks for users with experience using 'record', and leedsquietmong is in here offering his 'advice' (see: shit he reads online) despite his total lack of what the OP has asked for.

that's totally unlike him :roll:
Pasha wrote:Thanks dum for being so precise.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by leedsquietman » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:29 pm

Your only 'experiences' are what you've learned in bath houses and vacations to Thailand abusing other ladyboys and minors.

For the record, I have worked with Record for 2 bands I am helping out and own Reason.
So blow that out of your vagina you feeble little cunt.

Let's have the links to your music so we can experience the legend of dum. Move over George Martin, Eno, Lanois because dum is so much better and clever than you.
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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by dum » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:38 pm

leedsquietman wrote:I have worked with Record for 2 bands I am helping out
lies.
Pasha wrote:Thanks dum for being so precise.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by leedsquietman » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:39 pm

links?
http://soundcloud.com/umbriel-rising http://www.myspace.com/leedsquietmandemos Live 7.0.18 SUITE, Cubase 5.5.2], Soundforge 9, Dell XPS M1530, 2.2 Ghz C2D, 4GB, Vista Ult SP2, legit plugins a plenty, Alesis IO14.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by dum » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:53 pm

leedsquietman wrote:links?
this one's just for you: http://tinyurl.com/leedsquietmong
Pasha wrote:Thanks dum for being so precise.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by leedsquietman » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:59 pm

I thought you'd know that link, as it takes one to know one ...
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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by Vibrations » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:36 pm

dum is right.
Ask ten people and you will hear ten opinions.
My interest are experiences not opinions.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by arctic ranger » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:23 pm

Vibrations wrote:dum is right.
Ask ten people and you will hear ten opinions.
My interest are experiences not opinions.
you get a live demo and you get a record demo

choose what you want

i own both and prefer record to recording synths and whatnot

they are both there to demo out. do some research and find out what you want. if you have you will know that live is really mainly focused on the electronic side of production(although there are a few people who use it otherwise) and record is mostly aimed at recording...well bands instruments and whatnot. i suppose it would be props "crossover" to a more band/instrument style of recording thus more catered to maybe what you want?

leeds is right in one aspect, record is a closed platform meaning you dont have the luxury of third party vts. maybe you should check out something else like cubase pt logic or whatever
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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by JEpic » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:10 am

I record a lot of live instruments, pretty much whatever I can get my hands on. But since it's always just me, I find live's independent looping per track essential for recording. I've messed with reaper (and still occassoinaly use) and foolishly bought PT MPowered, and neither really worked out.

The folks I produce with are Reason user's and will be getting Record with the new upgrade this month, so hopefully I'll get to try it out then, but my guess is it'll be the same experience.

So yeah, I'm for recording in Live, but I'm also not really picky about sound quality.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by mihai » Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:38 am

i haven't used record but recording with ableton live never presented an issue for me. as was mentioned go ahead and try the demo first before spending the cash, record might not be what you're going for.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by Vibrations » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:32 am

I don't need to try the demos first!
I'm a Live user since version 3, and a Reason user since version 2.5

But since 5 years I just make electronic Music.
Now I want to go back to my roots - late 60's early 70's - and want to play (and record) natural Instruments. Guitar, Flute, Jew's Harp, Percussions, Synthesizer, Singing Bowls, Gongs, Voice...

All I wanted was to hear RECORDING-EXPERIENCES from other Reason and Live users.

Thank you, I'm already on my way. 8)

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by rikhyray » Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:36 pm

Vibrations wrote:I don't need to try the demos first!
I'm a Live user since version 3, and a Reason user since version 2.5

But since 5 years I just make electronic Music.
Now I want to go back to my roots - late 60's early 70's - and want to play (and record) natural Instruments. Guitar, Flute, Jew's Harp, Percussions, Synthesizer, Singing Bowls, Gongs, Voice...

All I wanted was to hear RECORDING-EXPERIENCES from other Reason and Live users.

Thank you, I'm already on my way. 8)
Why dont you try yourself? I enlisted for Beta and almost got a fit just looking at the GUI, the worst I ever seen. I use Reason and wanted to like the Record, guess will get it for free with Reason upgrade but doubt will ever open this nightmare of UI.
If you want traditional DAW than go for one you might know from before PT,Logic or Cubase if you never used those and have to start from zero, I would go for the Presonus, The developers come from Steinberg but they had free hand, unlike PT, Logic, Cubase didnt have to bother about previous versions, started from scratch, so it is the most modern of current DAWs. Its mastering section alone might be worth it.

If someone wants to do serious midi recordings, hardware synths etc, and editing midi Live would be the worst choice, at least 15 years behind proper DAWs, absolutely retarded and useless but for acoustic recording it is fine.

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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by headquest » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:48 pm

Extraordinary how people can be so rude to each other on forums... anyway, to get to the question:

I own Live 7 Suite and Record/Reason: both programmes are great but have different strengths. I don't do hardcore multitrack audio sessions, but I do occasionally help out my son's band doing demos of new songs. In the past I have done this using Live 7 (and earlier) and more recently Steinberg's Cubase 5 (which I also own, but recently uninstalled and plan to probably sell now). This time I went with Record all the way, and to get to the point: it was just the easiest session to do.

The things which really helped it along were the timestretch and the comping. The timestretch is in a different league to the other software I have used, and is such that I could record the guitarist doing tricky parts at a reduced 90bpm before speeding the track back up to 118bpm tempo ... and the results are so good you just wouldn't know. Great to use with a (very) amateur band, but maybe also useful with pros in another setting...?

As for the comping, this is such a dream to use and makes it far quicker to just get down the take you want. Fantastic to do a guitar solo by setting a 16bar loop and letting the player run through the solo half a dozen times - simple tools then to select the bits you can use. I also found the comp feature useful for some timing corrections, using it a bit like I would use warp markers for correcting audio in Live... but without the pesky artifacts associated with Live's timestretching.

So in future I will definitely go straight to Propellerhead Record for sessions like this. Much better thought out and faster to use than Cubase (for me at least) and more appropriate tools than Live (for now). Obviously needs vary, but when you come to demo do wait for the new version 1.5: it is a big improvement on version 1.0.

I hope that this constructive reply will help :)
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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by razorblade » Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:34 pm

I upgraded to Record primarily to process my guitar simultaneously with my guitar synth (I already had Pod Farm Platinum,so that helped motivate me), and being able to process Audio through Thor's filters and various combinators, and it works great for that.

I have to say, after the old mixer in reason the SSL mixer is the tits - It may not be a 1000 dollar strip plug-in - but I prefer it to using Cubase and Live....For the cost it was a no brainer.
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Re: Propellerhead's Record vers. recording with Live

Post by penningt » Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:12 pm

I record my guitar in Live because I can quantize/apply groove quickly. To do the same thing in Record you would have to create a Rex file - this takes much longer plus you need a Recycle license.

I use Reason+Record rewired in Live for instruments and do all audio recording in Live.

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