Richie hawtin and Live

Toufas · Post by **Toufas** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:01 am

http://www.derivativeinc.com/Events/15-Plastikman/
really inspiring...

drush · Post by **drush** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:19 am

indeed. pre-release ableton 4 no less. wait til he gets the surround thing going after september's DE9 release.

i'm almost surprised they didn't mention that crazy bass response platform thingy he was standing on during that show.

Toufas · Post by **Toufas** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:30 am

omg i ve downloaded touchplayer...really nice proggie...i wonder if i can get it to sync with live... like hawtin does

make sure to watch the vids on the link i posted

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:42 am

Let us put some things into perspective shall we?

Richie's .als in June 2004 at Mutek -
http://www.derivativeinc.com/Events/15- ... ropMed.jpg

Surgeon's .als earlier this year -
http://www.7mzdt.com/bmbscreen1.jpg

Sasha's .als in March, 2005 in LA -
http://www.residentadvisor.net/photos/c ... c00030.jpg
http://www.residentadvisor.net/photos/c ... c00039.jpg

no wonder he moved to an iMac G5... that powerbook certainly can't handle a trackload like that!!!

anyone buying into the Sasha "Revolutionary" hype needs to bookmark the above.

drush · Post by **drush** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:46 am

hahahahahahhahaha

classic!

drush · Post by **drush** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:47 am

btw - notice the extra sends in richie's modified copy of Live

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:51 am

drush wrote:btw - notice the extra sends in richie's modified copy of Live

sasha has just as many sends. not sure what he's doing with them, probably some epic buildup fx bullshit but thats besides the point...

its funny how the eternal Trance vs. Techno battle transends the formats of analog/digital dj/production etc. It seems the Richie's will forever be the ones really pushing things and getting no recognition for it. And the Sasha's will be forever regurgitating something done by the Richie's, complete with press releases and shiney plastic packaging.

Toufas · Post by **Toufas** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:51 am

who is surgeon?:O
also adam i do agree with you, even the ableton tutorials use a more complex als file than sasha....
and if you listen to some of his sets....everytime he is mixing songs he uses exactly the same drum kick
edit 2: hawtin has been really forward thinking, he was one of the first djs to use final scratch, and now that whole visual thing...

anonymouse · Post by **anonymouse** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:54 am

Hawtin has been attending Sasha's School of Advanced Live Loopology in Switzerland for the past 3 years.

No wonder he is improving in the race to match Sasha's inventive technical genius.

Unfortunately Sasha is a swiftly moving target; always advancing and developing new twists and turns.

He will never be caught by his protege Hawtin.

drush · Post by **drush** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:01 am

Toufas wrote:who is surgeon?:O

www.dj-surgeon.com

Toufas wrote:edit 2: hawtin has been really forward thinking, he was one of the first djs to use final scratch...

helped develop it. blah blah.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:17 am

My God, he (sasha) may as well just be pressing play.

He could do the same thing with a playlist in media player.

-Ben

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:33 am

Notice how all of Sasha's tracks are assigned to the A side of the crossfader. Not necessarily saying anything with that, just thought I'd point that out.

muthafunka · Post by **muthafunka** » Thu May 19, 2005 7:18 am

drush wrote:btw - notice the extra sends in richie's modified copy of Live

Extra? Take it this is Topangan humour...got 12 of the blighters staring at me right now, or was that a new 4.1 addition? Gotta start taking notes, too much time wasted making music!

btw Good detective work there Adam, a picture's worth a 1000 words etc
Marvellous to see Sash-arse pushing the revolutionary Live boundaries, what a guy! Some devilish part of me wants to go post those links at some Sasha fanboy forum mwuhahahhahahaaaaaaaaa--------

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Thu May 19, 2005 9:52 am

AdamJay wrote:its funny how the eternal Trance vs. Techno battle transends the formats of analog/digital dj/production etc. It seems the Richie's will forever be the ones really pushing things and getting no recognition for it. And the Sasha's will be forever regurgitating something done by the Richie's, complete with press releases and shiney plastic packaging.

It's all marketing..the only reason people like trance is because they've heard the word attached to the music..name recognition only

in america the way to sell something is to put more into marketing then into the product itself
thats why all the goods are always hidden, and hard to find

...most people don't even know techno is a genra.
the people who don't like techno and support trance are just sticking to what they know.....when they finally realize "techno" is not another word for "electronic music". They get up tight when more experienced listeners call the pop music crap, so they fight back

It's all about turning it into pop music..yuk

if you think about it that is stealing in a bigger sence then jackin' bass lines ... because they (copererate music) are trying to steal the soul!

DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE (like 51% of usa did lol)

I hate BS dj's that don't even mix...it is to easy to hide up there behind the decks gear whatever and do nothing
reminds me of milli vanilli
but man it happens alot....coperate crap trying to cash in on the next big thing. The sad part is is that it make it hard to the truly dedicated to ever get the respect that is due

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:32 am

AdamJay wrote:Let us put some things into perspective shall we?.....

Very informative post AdamJay.

By that "revolutionary" "standard" my sets must kick ass!