recording triplets
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recording triplets
Firstly, I've done some searching in the Forum and the manual and can't find the information I'm looking for. I feel kinda silly cause I know this app inside and out and I tried something very simple tonight for the first time and am getting very frustrated....
I want to record a MIDI part that uses both 16th notes and 8th note triplets. I've tried over and over again and Live never plays back what I record in. I try quantizing on every possible setting and I just can't get it right. Is this something that Live just can't do?
Thanks in advance for the help on the very silly question.
-Dave
I want to record a MIDI part that uses both 16th notes and 8th note triplets. I've tried over and over again and Live never plays back what I record in. I try quantizing on every possible setting and I just can't get it right. Is this something that Live just can't do?
Thanks in advance for the help on the very silly question.
-Dave
well, you can't have your recording quantized to 16th and 8 triplets at the same time, unfortunately.
you have to change the "record quantization" in the edit menu accordingly, but since 16 and 8T only have the downbeat in common, it's either one or the other.
it really is a shame, and i asked ableton to make a drop down menu available from the main interface during Live4 beta-testing, but the menu is still burried deeply.
and another thing: i hate these Live functions that are available only through menus. since i work most of the time in full screen, it always means hundreds of clicks and keys before being able to do what i want (namely: record quantize and preferences).
maybe the new Live5 right click enabled will help us!
you have to change the "record quantization" in the edit menu accordingly, but since 16 and 8T only have the downbeat in common, it's either one or the other.
it really is a shame, and i asked ableton to make a drop down menu available from the main interface during Live4 beta-testing, but the menu is still burried deeply.
and another thing: i hate these Live functions that are available only through menus. since i work most of the time in full screen, it always means hundreds of clicks and keys before being able to do what i want (namely: record quantize and preferences).
maybe the new Live5 right click enabled will help us!
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Guys, which record quantisation options would you need ?
8 th
8th and 8th tripplets
16 th
16th and 16th tripplets
or
8th
8th tripplets and 16th
16th
16th tripplets and 32th
or
8th
8th and 8th tripplets
16th and 8th tripplets
16th
16th and 16th tripplets
32 th
32th and 16th tripplets
? or anything else ???
Robert Henke / Ableton
8 th
8th and 8th tripplets
16 th
16th and 16th tripplets
or
8th
8th tripplets and 16th
16th
16th tripplets and 32th
or
8th
8th and 8th tripplets
16th and 8th tripplets
16th
16th and 16th tripplets
32 th
32th and 16th tripplets
? or anything else ???
Robert Henke / Ableton
Make the "or" an "and", and it will be OK.
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i think the choices avilable inL4 are ok (i don't think that mixing straights and triplets is a good idea), i'd just like it to be mapable or accessible through shortcuts or available on the main screen.Robert Henke wrote:Guys, which record quantisation options would you need ?
8 th
8th and 8th tripplets
16 th
16th and 16th tripplets
or
8th
8th tripplets and 16th
16th
16th tripplets and 32th
or
8th
8th and 8th tripplets
16th and 8th tripplets
16th
16th and 16th tripplets
32 th
32th and 16th tripplets
? or anything else ???
Robert Henke / Ableton
Yeah maybe rather than 101 "this and this and this and that" it would be
better to have it all under one entry.....
1. Click Custom in dropdown
2. Popup sequencer of sorts.......
Presets loadable (this is where you can have the 8th tripplets and 16ths
etc), midi importable, steps adjustable/editable..... Covers groove quatise,
mixed patterns and the like with a fairly simple interface......
p.s. I haven't seen Live4.... but sounds right.....
-Ben
better to have it all under one entry.....
1. Click Custom in dropdown
2. Popup sequencer of sorts.......
Presets loadable (this is where you can have the 8th tripplets and 16ths
etc), midi importable, steps adjustable/editable..... Covers groove quatise,
mixed patterns and the like with a fairly simple interface......
p.s. I haven't seen Live4.... but sounds right.....
-Ben
Scratch the suggestion of a popup, that doesn't fit the Live interface paradigm.....
I'm unsure how MIDI tracks look currently, but something like this might do it.
You have a "tab" (like the envelope on audio tracks) in MIDI
tracks, "Quantise".... This tab has an adjustable loop length like
envelopes. Inside this area you can mark where notes will be quantised to,
with markers/grid/snap being set from a dropdown.
So for 16ths, I can set a 1 beat loop, and mark 4x 16ths.
For 16ths in bar 1 and 16T in bar 2 I can make a 2 bar loop.
For on the beat 1,3 off the beat 2,4.....
For perfectly on the beat 1,3, slightly late 2,4....
Load presets, import midi, etc etc.....
-Ben
I'm unsure how MIDI tracks look currently, but something like this might do it.
You have a "tab" (like the envelope on audio tracks) in MIDI
tracks, "Quantise".... This tab has an adjustable loop length like
envelopes. Inside this area you can mark where notes will be quantised to,
with markers/grid/snap being set from a dropdown.
So for 16ths, I can set a 1 beat loop, and mark 4x 16ths.
For 16ths in bar 1 and 16T in bar 2 I can make a 2 bar loop.
For on the beat 1,3 off the beat 2,4.....
For perfectly on the beat 1,3, slightly late 2,4....
Load presets, import midi, etc etc.....
-Ben
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control(PC) (apple button) 3 turns triplet grid on and off. simply select the notes you want to quantize, and hit control(apple button) U. make sure you have selected your desired record quantization under edit menu
hit control (applebutton) 3 again to switch back to quarter note grid.
control(or apple) 1 increases quantize amount, and control 2 decreases if you wanna get friendly with keyshortcuts
if that doesnt solve your problem idk what will
hit control (applebutton) 3 again to switch back to quarter note grid.
control(or apple) 1 increases quantize amount, and control 2 decreases if you wanna get friendly with keyshortcuts
if that doesnt solve your problem idk what will
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thats interesting i didnt know that sequencers did that(or maybe i never really noticed when using them)...hmm would be handyMrYellow wrote:The idea they're getting at is to do it as recording....
So you set the quantise so that 16ths and 8T are accepted, record....
Where you play on a 16th it gets quantised to that, where you play closer
to a triple it gets quantised to that..... So it's a mix of both.
-Ben
!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to see three new options,
8ths and 8T
16ths and 8T
16ths and 16T
AND:
a rec quantize on/off button that's
- easily accesable (somewhere on the main GUI, doesn't have to be big) and
- midi-remotable
OR:
a way to disable or set the record quantize for individual tracks
When I'm doing sessions with other musicians I get midi from a drummer (that should be unquantized), me (I'd like 16ths+8T) and maybe other musos that like straight 16ths. Right now I can't do all that in the same session without diving into menus all the time, and I certainly can't do it realtime.
If something could be done to settle this, I'm buying champagne and bears for the entire staff of Ableton AG
I'd like to see three new options,
8ths and 8T
16ths and 8T
16ths and 16T
AND:
a rec quantize on/off button that's
- easily accesable (somewhere on the main GUI, doesn't have to be big) and
- midi-remotable
OR:
a way to disable or set the record quantize for individual tracks
When I'm doing sessions with other musicians I get midi from a drummer (that should be unquantized), me (I'd like 16ths+8T) and maybe other musos that like straight 16ths. Right now I can't do all that in the same session without diving into menus all the time, and I certainly can't do it realtime.
If something could be done to settle this, I'm buying champagne and bears for the entire staff of Ableton AG
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