try to sell this guy a softsynth.... I dare you.

[macmurphy]

I wonder how many voices you'd get out of the highest quality, most CPU hungry plug-in before it started complaining?

dunno but i bet it could generate Live crash reports real quick

[Jarvisimon]

I wonder how many voices you'd get out of the highest quality, most CPU hungry plug-in before it started complaining?

dunno but i bet it could generate Live crash reports real quick

I wonder if it's 64 bit capable?

[starving student]

I think if you looked at your Nord objectively and saw it for what it is, you'd understand that your love of writing with it has little to do with the software inside and more to do with its look. They are very beautiful machines but it's only skin deep. It's heart is computer code.

no doubt a puter that has a zero point module will make your softsynths fly, but it takes more than cpu cycles, it takes how the instrument feels in your hands, I'm sure you can relate to that. It goes beyond how the nord looks but you're right they matter, for instance I wish it wasn't red I plan on painting mine beige pretty soon. If you could get the reaktor ensembles you love inside a nord leads body you'd probably like them as much as I do. Like i was saying to kb, I don't mean the NL has soul I mean it has a soul. a definite connection between it's body and it's purpose that is extremely well difined, it does look good, but it feels like an instrument so when some one is using one they don't feel like they are using a powerful computer, they feel like they're using a great instrument, that's very conducive to writing music.

you'd be hard pressed to find someone using any type of software ensemble that looks like they're enjoying themselves as much as someone on an NL, and superior spects generally don't equate to superior music, for the most part it's just the opposite. I'm not putting down technology but there are probably allot of songs that you yourself have loved all your life written on a tascam 4track or equivalent that are much better than anything you've ever heard recorded on a computer, but it would be nice if all we had to do to make better synth music was to use a synth with better specs

[Jarvisimon]

no doubt a puter that has a zero point module will make your softsynths fly, but it takes more than cpu cycles, it takes how the instrument feels in your hands, I'm sure you can relate to that. It goes beyond how the nord looks but you're right they matter, for instance I wish it wasn't red I plan on painting mine beige pretty soon. If you could get the reaktor ensembles you love inside a nord leads body you'd probably like them as much as I do. Like i was saying to kb, I don't mean the NL has soul I mean it has a soul. a definite connection between it's body and it's purpose that is extremely well difined, it does look good, but it feels like an instrument so when some one is using one they don't feel like they are using a powerful computer, they feel like they're using a great instrument, that's very conducive to writing music.

you'd be hard pressed to find someone using any type of software ensemble that looks like they're enjoying themselves as much as someone on an NL, and superior spects generally don't equate to superior music, for the most part it's just the opposite. I'm not putting down technology but there are probably allot of songs that you yourself have loved all your life written on a tascam 4track or equivalent that are much better than anything you've ever heard recorded on a computer, but it would be nice if all we had to do to make better synth music was to use a synth with better specs

You're living in "make believe land".

Yes, you have a Nord. It is a red box with some piano-type keys, some knobs and buttons but it has no more "soul" than any other computer. It is a Synth who's sound creating ability is written in computer code which is then translated via its D/A converter into audio, in exactly the same way as any other computer program.

You believing that your music is better influenced by your having a Nord is nothing more than smug satisfaction based entirely on an image. You should really upload one of your tunes so you can demonstrate to us how the Nord's influence has taken a tune beyond being merely some keyboard playing and turned it into a masterpiece inspired by the unity of man and machine. If you can do that, then I'll sell all my software and replace the lot with Clavia products because that's obviously what's holding me back from making inspirational music.

Personally, I think you've got your work cut out and will most likely fall at the first hurdle.

So, to answer your thread question "Try to sell this guy a softsynth.....I dare you", I would have to answer...."No need. He's already bought one, he just hasn't got the will to admit it".

[auto-lock]

My nord lead is to your m-audio controller what your m-audio controller is to the qwerty board on your laptop.

This.

[starving student]

no doubt a puter that has a zero point module will make your softsynths fly, but it takes more than cpu cycles, it takes how the instrument feels in your hands, I'm sure you can relate to that. It goes beyond how the nord looks but you're right they matter, for instance I wish it wasn't red I plan on painting mine beige pretty soon. If you could get the reaktor ensembles you love inside a nord leads body you'd probably like them as much as I do. Like i was saying to kb, I don't mean the NL has soul I mean it has a soul. a definite connection between it's body and it's purpose that is extremely well difined, it does look good, but it feels like an instrument so when some one is using one they don't feel like they are using a powerful computer, they feel like they're using a great instrument, that's very conducive to writing music.

you'd be hard pressed to find someone using any type of software ensemble that looks like they're enjoying themselves as much as someone on an NL, and superior spects generally don't equate to superior music, for the most part it's just the opposite. I'm not putting down technology but there are probably allot of songs that you yourself have loved all your life written on a tascam 4track or equivalent that are much better than anything you've ever heard recorded on a computer, but it would be nice if all we had to do to make better synth music was to use a synth with better specs

You're living in "make believe land".

Yes, you have a Nord. It is a red box with some piano-type keys, some knobs and buttons but it has no more "soul" than any other computer. It is a Synth who's sound creating ability is written in computer code which is then translated via its D/A converter into audio, in exactly the same way as any other computer program.

You believing that your music is better influenced by your having a Nord is nothing more than smug satisfaction based entirely on an image. You should really upload one of your tunes so you can demonstrate to us how the Nord's influence has taken a tune beyond being merely some keyboard playing and turned it into a masterpiece inspired by the unity of man and machine. If you can do that, then I'll sell all my software and replace the lot with Clavia products because that's obviously what's holding me back from making inspirational music.

Personally, I think you've got your work cut out and will most likely fall at the first hurdle.

So, to answer your thread question "Try to sell this guy a softsynth.....I dare you", I would have to answer...."No need. He's already bought one, he just hasn't got the will to admit it".

1.are you saying that you don't believe musicians are inspired by the unity of man and machine/ instruments or that you just don't believe that 'I' in paticular am?

2. do you have any Idea what so ever why all guitarist, bassist, synthist, drummers, or softsynth users are not all using the exact same instrument?

[Jarvisimon]

1.are you saying that you don't believe musicians are inspired by the unity of man and machine/ instruments or that you just don't believe that 'I' in paticular am?

No, what i'm saying is your Nord is a soft synth. You can get as flowery as you like about it but it's a computer program.

Upload something that clearly demonstrates how your Nord has taken playing with a sound to an inspirational level, unachievable by any plug-in/controller combination.

2. do you have any Idea what so ever why all guitarist, bassist, synthist, drummers, or softsynth users are not all using the exact same instrument?

Because there are so many manufacturers to choose from. You can write a good tune on any and all of them and you can play rubbish on the best.

Have you checked out the Reaktor Nord emulations?

It would be interesting to put them side by side and see how closely Reaktor can emulate the Nord in both sound and tweakability. Don't you think?

[starving student]

1.are you saying that you don't believe musicians are inspired by the unity of man and machine/ instruments or that you just don't believe that 'I' in paticular am?

No, what i'm saying is your Nord is a soft synth. You can get as flowery as you like about it but it's a computer program.

Upload something that clearly demonstrates how your Nord has taken playing with a sound to an inspirational level, unachievable by any plug-in/controller combination.

2. do you have any Idea what so ever why all guitarist, bassist, synthist, drummers, or softsynth users are not all using the exact same instrument?

Because there are so many manufacturers to choose from. You can write a good tune on any and all of them and you can play rubbish on the best.

Have you checked out the Reaktor Nord emulations?

It would be interesting to put them side by side and see how closely Reaktor can emulate the Nord in both sound and tweakability. Don't you think?

it doesn't have anything to do with the manufacturers, the reason there are allot of manufacturers is because there is a demand for more and differing types of interfaces, not the other way around. If your setup feels more like an instrument than a nord lead to you that's commendable, most manufacturers would love to have crafted such a good feeling instrument but few have, not unlike the success that ni is having with maschine, or that akai has had for decades. There are many synths with higher sonic specifications feel way less of an isntrument than the nord lead, I've only got the first version, but outside of the nord lead 3 I personally haven't enjoyed a synths interface and workflow more, I do love the junos though.

I'm not sure what you're getting at though, if you're saying that you are more inspired by the feel of reaktor via
your controller than you are inpired by the feel of the nord
lead then what can I say, to each his own of course, but that's def not the case for me and def not the case for either of the people in the videos I posted,, surely you can see that.

regarding the nord emulations, I like the leads sound allot so I'm sure I would probably like the emulations, but I wouldn't use them unless I used the nord lead to control them cause it wouldn't feel the same otherwise, and as far as your challenge goes from your point of view wouldn't it make more sense for me to use reaktor and your model of controller to prove how much better my music would be than music I made with the nord lead?

[Kodama]

I love Zebra, I love Operator, Sampler, and my ~10u analog/digital Euro Rack system.

Win/win - no real reason to hate on either hardware or software!

[Jarvisimon]

it doesn't have anything to do with the manufacturers,

Of course it does. Think about all the UK people who's first guitar was a Kay. This is because Woolworth's displayed them in all their stores. They were cheap and they were vaguely modelled on Fenders etc.

the reason there are allot of manufacturers is because there is a demand for more and differing types of interfaces, not the other way around.

What are you trying to say here? You've come up with a irrelevant meaningless sentence for no purpose. The reason there are so many manufacturers around is because there is money to be made from making and selling musical equipment. The Nordlead1 was made in the days before computers were powerful enough to run decent plug-ins on top of having to power a sequencer/recording environment without the timing going to pieces.

If your setup feels more like an instrument than a nord lead to you that's commendable, most manufacturers would love to have crafted such a good feeling instrument but few have, there are many synths with higher sonic specifications feel way less of an isntrument than the nord lead, I've only got the first version, but outside of the nord lead 3 I personally haven't enjoyed a synths interface and workflow more, I do love the junos though.

You sound like you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the instrument review in a music publication. These write-ups are meant to seduce people in to buying a product but it doesn't deter from the fact that you've already bought a softsynth - Namely, the Nordlead 1.

Name one instrument that cannot be set-up to be controlled as easily as a Nord.

I'm not sure what you're getting at though, if you're saying that you are more inspired by the feel of reaktor via
your controller than you are inpired by the feel of the nord lead then what can I say, to each his own of course, but that's def not the case for me and def not the case for either of the people in the videos I posted,, surely you can see that.

I said no such thing. For the sake of repeating myself, here goes.....there is NO DIFFERENCE between a controller/plug-in combination than your Nord and it's dedicated knobs and sliders, other than your hardware has the names of the parameters printed next to each button and knob.

regarding the nord emulations, I like the leads sound allot so I'm sure I would probably like the emulations, but I wouldn't use them unless I used the nord lead to control them cause it wouldn't feel the same otherwise,

Twoddle. The difference is in your head.

and as far as your challenge goes from your point of view wouldn't it make more sense for me to use reaktor and your model of controller to prove how much better my music would be than music I made with the nord lead?

I think it would be better again to have the two set-ups next to each other. Then film you playing and tweaking them both, to hear what you could possibly say to differentiate the experiences. Isn't a button a button and isn't a slider a slider? Once you've finished trying to explain how each was clearly different, I would then play back the video recording to remind you of what you said, then watch you squirm as I pointed out each and every contradiction you uttered.

Here's a simple example.....Filter ADSR (4 knobs) Cut Off/Resonance controls (2 knobs) and envelope amount (1 knob - centre detented) - so 7 knobs in all.

If you can explain how there is a difference in tweaking the Nord controls that isn't the same in tweaking the Controller knobs, then explain it because they are doing exactly the same job.

[starving student]

all synths are doing the same job, but hardly any have the same feel, "all knobs and sliders the same" that's pretty farfetched, what made you choose your controller in the first place?
the reason why the nord is NOT 'just a softsynth in a box' like you describe is because it's integration and formfactor allow it to transcend just that, a softsynth in a box is what you have.... a desktop/laptop computer. the experience is not even close to being the same, even midi controllers offer up a different experience to one another. Be honest, is there anything in what you've posted so far that would make it possible for you to sell either of the people in the clips your softsynth?

let me guess, you probably believe an m-audio triggerfinger plus your computer feels better than using an mpc right, i mean the mpc is just a computer with drums in it?

[Jarvisimon]

all synths are doing the same job, but hardly any have the same feel, "all knobs and sliders the same" that's pretty farfetched, what made you choose your controller in the first place?
the reason why the nord is NOT 'just a softsynth in a box' like you describe is because it's integration and formfactor allow it to transcend just that, a softsynth in a box is what you have.... a desktop/laptop computer. the experience is not even close to being the same, even midi controllers offer up a different experience to one another. Be honest, is there anything in what you've posted so far that would make it possible for you to sell either of the people in the clips your softsynth?

let me guess, you probably believe an m-audio triggerfinger plus your computer feels better than using an mpc right, i mean the mpc is just a computer with drums in it?

So basically, when it comes down to it, you're too uppity to change your mind as you're in love with your Nord. Fair enough but don't spout all that crap in order to get away from the facts. "it's integration and formfactor allow it to transcend" is the flowery sales pitch you'd expect from an advert. They really saw you coming didn't they?

You've already bought a softsynth, you're just too full of nonsense to admit it.

[agent314]

My MPK49 has more soul than any Nord you've ever touched. When I plug it in, I can feel pure synergy flowing through the USB cable.

When I assign my sliders (24, bitches!) to control Operator, I can feel the subtleties of every parameter through my fingertips like I was caressing a woman's loveliest of lovelies. Sometimes I'll assign the mod wheel to control the shaper drive, and I can feel the purity of musical tonal freedom gripping my brain.

When I play, the keys' springy response imbues my music with a power that cannot be measured by a mere keyboardcomputer in a red box.

When I twist the knobs to tweak filters with Trilian, I can sense what my computer is thinking, what it wants to do, what journeys it wants me to take it on. When I play out a beat on the pads, the essence of pure rhythm, nay pure LOVE, is pressed out with precision and just enough force to make my beatz phat.

Sometimes - when I'm feeling REALLY sassy - I'll pull up Synth1, assign some shit to my knobs, and channel the Nord gods until daybreak, at which point I collapse in a heap of spent creativity and lustful keysmacking, sated until my next flight of musical fancy.

My MPK49 and computer (PC, natch!) have more soul than any softsynth keyboard ever will.

[starving student]

classic

[starving student]

all synths are doing the same job, but hardly any have the same feel, "all knobs and sliders the same" that's pretty farfetched, what made you choose your controller in the first place?
the reason why the nord is NOT 'just a softsynth in a box' like you describe is because it's integration and formfactor allow it to transcend just that, a softsynth in a box is what you have.... a desktop/laptop computer. the experience is not even close to being the same, even midi controllers offer up a different experience to one another. Be honest, is there anything in what you've posted so far that would make it possible for you to sell either of the people in the clips your softsynth?

let me guess, you probably believe an m-audio triggerfinger plus your computer feels better than using an mpc right, i mean the mpc is just a computer with drums in it?

So basically, when it comes down to it, you're too uppity to change your mind as you're in love with your Nord. Fair enough but don't spout all that crap in order to get away from the facts. "it's integration and formfactor allow it to transcend" is the flowery sales pitch you'd expect from an advert. They really saw you coming didn't they?

You've already bought a softsynth, you're just too full of nonsense to admit it.

haha, well listen..... good conversation, thanks for keeping it polite, civil, and not like all those other threads descending into petty insults.

here's a clip you might like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41U78QP8nBk