Dj'ing with Able

Chikara · Post by **Chikara** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:49 am

Ok Its three in the morning im new to ableton and i figured out the warping now how do i get one track to come in on time with the end of the one that is playin? Its probably been asked, but hey doesnt hurt. To clarify when one track is ending and i would like to mix in another....... everytime i try to do so it comes in off beet. Not like if you were to start them together. I feel as though im learning to dj all over again.

bod · Post by **bod** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:46 pm

set the quantise to "bar". and warp your tunes well.

Lowride · Post by **Lowride** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:26 pm

Chikara, this used to screw me up as well...

I would think I ahd the track prefectly warped, and it wouldn't come in on time. Really frustrating...

What I do is have the quantise set to 1/4 of a bar. that way if you want to mix in on the off beat or somehting unusual you can do it. Some tracks are written bizarrely, and when you mix in won't work to plan (maybe they have some strange arrangement at the start of the track... whatever...) Anyway, this method seems to work for me. What it does mean though, is that you need to be pretty good when you cue in a track - becasue you don't have the liberty of cue a clip almost a bar early...

Maybe this will help...

Lowride

Chikara · Post by **Chikara** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:53 pm

It Seems to Work Fine With just selecting bar under quantization, Except for break beat it sounds all funny hah. Thank you very much for pointing this out i dont know what i would of done.

dpkni1 · Post by **dpkni1** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:42 am

Another thing you could try is taking a warped track, copy and paste a few (as many as needed) instances of it, and set different loop points for each instance. That way, you can progress through the intro, main beat, breakdown etc. when YOU want, and are not bound by track length and structure. AdamJay (I think) posted a good thread about this cutting down on disk space taken up too, as you dont need the whole track if it is fairly repetitive, just a couple of bars.
This works great for mixing one track into another, as you can set say an 8, 16, whatever you like bar loop at the outro and mix the other track in over the top, maybe even looping the intro of that track until you want that track to drop.....resulting in wild and crazy dancefloor mayhem etc. etc.

Think outside the box w/ live....thats what it's there for!

moostapha · Post by **moostapha** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:44 am

So, I thought about importing multiple copies and setting up different loops all by myself (i'm a big boy). But, I'm wondering: will this take up substantially more RAM? I don't know how Ableton chooses to load things into RAM (other than the button).

and if your answer is RTFM, i'd appreciate a section number, 'cuz that thing is long

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:02 am

I set up two columns in Live, which makes it easy to cross-fade from one tune into another. Just make sure you erase the stop box (Apple-E), or the first track will stop when the second starts. And the tempos should be close, or you'll hear the first track jump to the second track's tempo when you trigger the scene.

Another cool thing is to launch a second clip as a scene with the tempo input into the last column. If the tracks are warp-markered well, and the start and end points are on the downbeat and quantization set to one bar, just launch the new scene any time during a bar of the previous song, and the new song with it's new tempo will launch in perfect timing at the start of the next bar.

I also loop many intros and let them play through a second set of PA speakers in the rear of the room while the main track plays through the main PA.

You definitely need to think outside the box to get the most out of Live. That's what makes it so cool.

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:10 am

I'm guessing that it wouldn't take any more memory at all. As long as you use the same base sample and just set different loop points in different copies it should only use one copy of the actual sample. (If you cut your track in arrangement view you will actually end up with the same sample, just different loops.)

If you consolidate to new clips, you will get multiple copies, but they will on the other hand be smaller.

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:21 am

Erase the stop button, what's that?

*looks at manual*

WOW. Amazing! I must've skipped that part or something. Thanks for the tip!

Tuur · Post by **Tuur** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:41 am

Lowride wrote:What it does mean though, is that you need to be pretty good when you cue in a track - becasue you don't have the liberty of cue a clip almost a bar early...

But let's face it, you don't deserve it to be called a 'DJ' if you can't time *that*.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:32 am

I set up two scenes using the same song. On one scene, I erase all of the stop boxes, and on the other I leave them in. Then I have the option of either bringing in another track and cross-fading into it, or instantly cutting from one track to the other.