MusicRadar's Best DAW vote

[headquest]

I just don't understand the hate for Reason

It's claimed that people who voted for Reason must be "fanboys" .... but more people have voted for Ableton Live than for Reason. Were they "fanboys" too, or does a different rule apply to Ableton users? Absurd double standards.

And Fruity Loops is way in the lead, but nobody has accused those voters of being "fanboys" or rigging the poll.

It's just weird. Seriously, it's just a software tool - why the hatred, and why so threatened by its popularity? Strange (and very immature imho).

[Hermanus]

Those who yada yada over forums ranting about such and such daws are surely not making music.
Every program has its own good thing.

Reason has good stuffs
Live has good stuffs,
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focus on good things is the way for composing freely

Rantin is the way to freeze yourself and always turning in round, like a dog which bites its tail

[headquest]

Exactly - well put

[crofter]

I just don't understand the hate for Reason

It's claimed that people who voted for Reason must be "fanboys" .... but more people have voted for Ableton Live than for Reason. Were they "fanboys" too, or does a different rule apply to Ableton users? Absurd double standards.

And Fruity Loops is way in the lead, but nobody has accused those voters of being "fanboys" or rigging the poll.

It's just weird. Seriously, it's just a software tool - why the hatred, and why so threatened by its popularity? Strange (and very immature imho).

The person who made the fanboy statement is a serious nutter with an agenda.There's nothing much wrong with Reason, I never found much use for it because of lack of audio recording, this has been put right in version 6, in fact I'm beta testing the OEM version to be given away with hardware at the moment.

[rikhyray]

I just don't understand the hate for Reason :|

Plain stupidity and demonstration of not being serious, just geeks, nerds with no musical talent living in illusion that purchasing or crack downloading software turns him/her into producer.
Serious artists/producers/djs... use whatever works for what they want/need, while amateurs/fanboys/nerds/geeks will spend their time complaining/praising/bitching on audio fora etc instead. Serious people will check any information/news about software, hardware, production etc and consider its possible usability, always looking for ways to do what they do better.
The Reason/Record "comments" are particularly stupid because Record has at least 2 things Live is missing badly - time stretching algo that works amazingly with melodies-what Live can't do at all and mixer that is serious alternative to using Logic,PT,Cubase or Harrison for final mix.
Those repeated statements "bla, bla bla, was using Reason 3 or 2...." bring nothing new, "everyone knows that old Reason had worst mixer of any software ever, effects were (are) dreadful, synths obsolete, cheesy, with "nail on blackboard sound", stupid GUI- outdated by decade, idiotic hanging cables - all that is old news, everyone knows that but who dismisses without trying-Thor, SSL modeled mixer, time stretch algo is "selbeschuld"

[3dot...]

I think reason is awesome !!!

[kayvee]

just voted for Octamed 4

Nice!
I would go for octamed if it was still here (i sometimes use Renoise wich is pretty good) But Live8 rules.
Maybee it even better when it has a tracker function..hihi

[9V]

I just don't understand the hate for Reason

It's claimed that people who voted for Reason must be "fanboys" .... but more people have voted for Ableton Live than for Reason. Were they "fanboys" too, or does a different rule apply to Ableton users? Absurd double standards.And Fruity Loops is way in the lead, but nobody has accused those voters of being "fanboys" or rigging the poll.It's just weird. Seriously, it's just a software tool - why the hatred, and why so threatened by its popularity? Strange (and very immature imho).

it's because when the fellow in the PH forum said "go and vote for reason" (even if they say it is not a DAW?), reason became "the best DAW in the world" all of a sudden with 38% preferences I went there, i voted three times: one for live, one for logic, one for garageband. You can vote whenever you want, what the heck of a poll is that... in KVR the same poll and reason 3%

From Propellerheads Facebook:
"Music Radar wants your vot for best DAW in the world. I know we say Reason's not a "DAW" but you won't hear us protest if we win. "

[headquest]

it's because when the fellow in the PH forum said "go and vote for reason" (even if they say it is not a DAW?), reason became "the best DAW in the world" all of a sudden with 38% preferences I went there, i voted three times: one for live, one for logic, one for garageband. You can vote whenever you want, what the heck of a poll is that... in KVR the same poll and reason 3%

If you check page one of this thread, the first post, you will notice that a "fellow" on the Ableton forum also posted the link to encourage people to vote. And since then more people voted for Ableton Live than for Reason... I guess by your argument this means that Ableton has even more foaming-at-the-mouth fanboys than Reason... right?

As for KVR, it is a specialist site for VST users and developers. I can only imagine somebody voting for Reason on that site would be doing so as a joke or protest...

Why does any of this matter so much to you? In spite of Ableton being second (at present) you actually seem more interested in seeing Reason do badly than in supporting your chosen DAW. I don't get it at all

[Angstrom]

9v is propellerheads version of 3phase
Meanwhile 3phase now haunts gearslutz, doing his same old tired "Ableton suck" dance, to the mystification of uninterested onlookers .
Same thing here.

I bet: Somewhere, on a Photoshop forum, there is a guy posting relentlessly about Quark.

These guys are the Internet version of the crazy homeless, come off their meds. Roaming around, shouting at trees and benches about IMPORTANT THINGS

[headquest]

By the way, just checked on the Propellerhead User Forum (i.e. the section for registered owners) and there isn't a single thread about this poll (or any other) ... so the mention on Facebook (which reads pretty much as a tongue-in-cheek joke so far as I can see) is the only reference I can even find.

Here on the Ableton forum meanwhile.... hmmm...

[headquest]

9v is propellerheads version of 3phase
Meanwhile 3phase now haunts gearslutz, doing his same old tired "Ableton suck" dance, to the mystification of uninterested onlookers .
Same thing here.

I bet: Somewhere, on a Photoshop forum, there is a guy posting relentlessly about Quark.

These guys are the Internet version of the crazy homeless, come off their meds. Roaming around, shouting at trees and benches about IMPORTANT THINGS

okay now this all makes sense!

[pencilrocket]

9v is propellerheads version of 3phase
Meanwhile 3phase now haunts gearslutz, doing his same old tired "Ableton suck" dance, to the mystification of uninterested onlookers .
Same thing here.

I bet: Somewhere, on a Photoshop forum, there is a guy posting relentlessly about Quark.

These guys are the Internet version of the crazy homeless, come off their meds. Roaming around, shouting at trees and benches about IMPORTANT THINGS

If so why ablton shoud have admit live 8 has many bug though probably you didn't recognize those bugs? You can't make fun of him if you don't know much about which is fact or not. As for this point of view you are nothing different from him.

[headquest]

Comparing Live and Reason is as pointless as comparing the flute to the violin. Sure, both can play similar tunes within broadly the same treble clef range... but they are totally different instruments. And in the same way Reason and Live are totally different creative musical tools.

Both take time to learn if you want to get properly creative with them (which takes longer depends entirely on your prior knowledge... a hardware person would learn Reason in seconds but find Live strange.... while a software person would probably feel more quickly at home with Live).

In terms of newcomers, I tend to recommend getting Live Intro. However, from an educational point of view Reason has advantages that no other software matches, because it perfectly replicates a hardware studio. So I can teach a room of 20 students in a computer suite using Reason, then take them into the actual studio and they know exactly what plugs in where, and what does what. Live makes no attempt to replicate that, but has so many other crucial strengths.

I've been using Live since version 2 - at which point it had no MIDI sequencing or virtual instrument support at all, and was simply an audio recording and looping programme. Reason made the perfect partner, providing sequencing and virtual instruments across rewire. over the years I have continued to find both programmes great fun, very appealing, and capable of professional results that I have used daily in my work as a composer and teacher.

I doubt that will change any time soon. At this point in time Reason 6 still continues to provide useful tools and abilities which complement Ableton Live brilliantly. People insist on trying to turn it into a competition between the two are - in my view - entirely missing the point. If you are actually a musician (as opposed to a software pundit of some kind) you owe it to yourself to more seriously investigate the enormous creative power at your disposal by having BOTH programmes.

[9V]

Live is a professional DAW, Reason is a nice software, but not a professional DAW. Infact they say "no, it is not a DAW", but they want you to vote for it as "the best DAW in the world"... This is fanboysm at the nth degree. If you notice, upon the "poll" there is a link to "reason 6 coming out"... with all the hype, commercials, etc.

When I was banned from PH forum it was because i told them for me it is a DAW, yet not professional because of the lack of vst support, midi out, rewire master above all. Reason 6 is a messy, uncomplete daw, good for geeks. Regarding Live forum: to me it is different: here criticism is accepted, they don't ban you even if you criticize the product in a harsh way. In PH land if you say "vst" more than three times it is like "beetlejuice": you are banned (but they say: "banned for trolling" )