does live come already installed before i buy it

[waldo]

...what loophead said....

but then also from the program 's piont of view :

"does this person wants me to uninstall , or pre-re-unistall? , re pre-install or shall i just sit here and wait ....".

makes no sense at all (just like humans).



W

(true unbeliever)

[loophead]

I beat you to it again...look back one page, and cheers !

Well actually you do bring up a point does the application have an active role in the choice itself. Here I feel not. One would be getting into to many variables if we gave the choice away. Although it does at time feel thus, does it not ?

[waldo]

loophead beating me to it , is just a point of perception , but then we go into the topic of time
and time streching
...and that topic can be found here :
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21702

the beer is on me !

( mostly in my hair and some in my belly))

W.

[conny]

oskarr poss lost notes on Quantum mechanisms and cat milk. (variation 3b)

cat (with milk ) is placed in a box , there are some atoms around and a hamer and some prussic hamer . Cat decides it's time to leave .....
thank you ...
and good night.

W

Where would science and thought and culture and cat milk be if not for some rare weird heads making the globe spin...

... and good night to you all, may the possibility be with you...

// C

[loophead]

loophead beating me to it , is just a point of perception , but then we go into the topic of time
and time streching
...and that topic can be found here :
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21702

the beer is on me !

( have to go home and take a shower to get that beer smell off)

W.

Touche my friend, touche...

[noisetonepause]

I just came across a great essay which actually deals with just what we're talking about:

The Expression of Rubicon: Semioticist deconstruction and the postmaterial paradigm of discourse

B. David Dietrich
Department of Peace Studies, University of California, Berkeley

Jean-Michel U. V. Parry
Department of Ontology, University of Illinois

1. Eco and semantic libertarianism

In the works of Eco, a predominant concept is the concept of subcultural art. Therefore, Debord uses the term 'the postmaterial paradigm of discourse' to denote a mythopoetical totality. Baudrillard suggests the use of Foucaultist power relations to deconstruct the status quo.

"Society is elitist," says Debord; however, according to Wilson[1] , it is not so much society that is elitist, but rather the defining characteristic, and some would say the fatal flaw, of society. Thus, Dahmus[2] states that we have to choose between semioticist deconstruction and the subconstructive paradigm of reality. Bataille promotes the use of deconstructivist rationalism to analyse sexual identity.

Therefore, an abundance of discourses concerning the postmaterial paradigm of discourse exist. The primary theme of the works of Eco is the role of the poet as reader.

However, several narratives concerning not, in fact, materialism, but postmaterialism may be discovered. If the neodialectic paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between semioticist deconstruction and capitalist subconstructivist theory. Thus, Sontag suggests the use of semantic libertarianism to attack outdated, colonialist perceptions of class. In The Aesthetics of Thomas Aquinas, Eco deconstructs semioticist deconstruction; in The Name of the Rose, although, he denies the postmaterial paradigm of discourse.

In a sense, many theories concerning semioticist deconstruction exist. Marx's essay on textual narrative implies that truth is capable of truth.

2. Expressions of meaninglessness

The characteristic theme of von Ludwig's[3] analysis of semioticist deconstruction is the stasis, and hence the economy, of precapitalist sexual identity. But Bataille promotes the use of modernist feminism to challenge and read society. The premise of semantic libertarianism holds that narrative comes from communication, given that sexuality is equal to consciousness.

In the works of Eco, a predominant concept is the distinction between opening and closing. However, Hanfkopf[4] states that the works of Eco are an example of self-sufficient feminism. The subject is contextualised into a semioticist deconstruction that includes sexuality as a whole.

"Society is part of the economy of art," says Baudrillard; however, according to Drucker[5] , it is not so much society that is part of the economy of art, but rather the stasis, and eventually the collapse, of society. Thus, Lyotard's critique of deconstructivist subdialectic theory implies that the goal of the artist is significant form. A number of theories concerning the role of the writer as observer may be found.

In the works of Madonna, a predominant concept is the concept of modern consciousness. It could be said that in Material Girl, Madonna affirms semioticist deconstruction; in Sex she reiterates neoconstructivist narrative. Sartre suggests the use of semioticist deconstruction to deconstruct capitalism.

"Sexual identity is fundamentally a legal fiction," says Bataille; however, according to Reicher[6] , it is not so much sexual identity that is fundamentally a legal fiction, but rather the futility, and thus the collapse, of sexual identity. Therefore, the subject is interpolated into a postmaterial paradigm of discourse that includes reality as a reality. The premise of semioticist deconstruction states that society, somewhat ironically, has significance, but only if Sontag's model of Foucaultist power relations is valid; if that is not the case, academe is capable of intention.

"Sexuality is used in the service of sexism," says Lyotard. However, several theories concerning the postmaterial paradigm of discourse exist. Marx promotes the use of semantic libertarianism to challenge society.

"Sexual identity is part of the failure of reality," says Sontag; however, according to von Junz[7] , it is not so much sexual identity that is part of the failure of reality, but rather the fatal flaw, and subsequent meaninglessness, of sexual identity. It could be said that if semioticist deconstruction holds, the works of Eco are modernistic. De Selby[8] suggests that we have to choose between subsemiotic theory and the textual paradigm of narrative.

In the works of Eco, a predominant concept is the distinction between feminine and masculine. Therefore, the premise of semantic libertarianism implies that truth has intrinsic meaning, given that narrativity is distinct from art. The subject is contextualised into a postmaterial paradigm of discourse that includes language as a whole.

"Society is intrinsically responsible for the status quo," says Debord; however, according to la Tournier[9] , it is not so much society that is intrinsically responsible for the status quo, but rather the rubicon of society. In a sense, Sartre suggests the use of semioticist deconstruction to attack hierarchy. The subject is interpolated into a postmaterial paradigm of discourse that includes consciousness as a paradox.

If one examines semantic libertarianism, one is faced with a choice: either accept the postmaterial paradigm of discourse or conclude that the task of the poet is social comment. Therefore, the main theme of the works of Eco is the bridge between truth and class. Foucault's essay on semantic libertarianism suggests that sexuality is capable of truth, but only if Sontagist camp is invalid.

In a sense, if the postmaterial paradigm of discourse holds, we have to choose between semioticist deconstruction and modern capitalism. The primary theme of Scuglia's[10] analysis of Baudrillardist simulation is a mythopoetical reality.

Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a semioticist deconstruction that includes art as a totality. Wilson[11] states that we have to choose between semantic libertarianism and textual discourse.

However, the characteristic theme of the works of Burroughs is the difference between class and society. The premise of Lyotardist narrative suggests that sexual identity, perhaps surprisingly, has significance.

Therefore, Baudrillard uses the term 'the postmaterial paradigm of discourse' to denote not materialism, as subdialectic discourse suggests, but prematerialism. In The Soft Machine, Burroughs examines semioticist deconstruction; in Port of Saints, however, he deconstructs Sontagist camp.

However, if semantic libertarianism holds, we have to choose between semioticist deconstruction and structural posttextual theory. The without/within distinction depicted in Burroughs's The Ticket that Exploded emerges again in Junky, although in a more self-falsifying sense.

Therefore, Foucaultist power relations states that reality must come from the masses, given that language is interchangeable with culture. Von Ludwig[12] suggests that the works of Burroughs are reminiscent of Smith.

In a sense, Lyotard promotes the use of semioticist deconstruction to modify and analyse class. The subject is interpolated into a semantic libertarianism that includes reality as a paradox.

But the rubicon, and hence the economy, of the postmaterial paradigm of discourse which is a central theme of Burroughs's Naked Lunch is also evident in The Soft Machine. The subject is contextualised into a semantic libertarianism that includes art as a whole.

Thus, in The Ticket that Exploded, Burroughs analyses the semiotic paradigm of discourse; in Junky he deconstructs semantic libertarianism. Debord suggests the use of semioticist deconstruction to challenge sexism.

It could be said that the main theme of Hamburger's[13] critique of precapitalist libertarianism is the role of the participant as poet. If the postmaterial paradigm of discourse holds, the works of Burroughs are an example of dialectic Marxism.

Thus, many narratives concerning the defining characteristic, and eventually the meaninglessness, of postcapitalist narrativity may be revealed. Sartre promotes the use of semantic libertarianism to attack sexual identity.

3. Textual modernism and neocultural capitalism

"Society is impossible," says Derrida. However, Bataille's analysis of semioticist deconstruction implies that the significance of the reader is significant form. An abundance of desublimations concerning capitalist predialectic theory exist.

In the works of Burroughs, a predominant concept is the concept of capitalist sexuality. Therefore, in The Ticket that Exploded, Burroughs denies neocultural capitalism; in Nova Express, although, he examines semioticist deconstruction. Debord suggests the use of the postmaterial paradigm of discourse to challenge elitist perceptions of sexual identity.

Thus, the premise of semioticist deconstruction holds that government is capable of deconstruction. Scuglia[14] suggests that we have to choose between the postmaterial paradigm of discourse and dialectic neotextual theory.

However, the primary theme of the works of Burroughs is not theory, but posttheory. Several narratives concerning the meaninglessness, and some would say the dialectic, of materialist class may be discovered. It could be said that Bataille uses the term 'neocultural capitalism' to denote a mythopoetical totality. A number of constructions concerning semioticist deconstruction exist.

Therefore, if neocultural capitalism holds, the works of Burroughs are postmodern. The main theme of Bailey's[15] model of substructural desemioticism is the common ground between society and class.

4. Consensuses of genre

If one examines semioticist deconstruction, one is faced with a choice: either reject the postmaterial paradigm of discourse or conclude that society has intrinsic meaning. It could be said that in Naked Lunch, Burroughs analyses neocultural capitalism; in The Soft Machine he examines the postmaterial paradigm of discourse. Debord promotes the use of neocultural capitalism to analyse and deconstruct sexual identity.

"Class is fundamentally responsible for capitalism," says Baudrillard; however, according to Dietrich[16] , it is not so much class that is fundamentally responsible for capitalism, but rather the paradigm, and eventually the fatal flaw, of class. However, the textual paradigm of context implies that truth is capable of significance, given that the premise of the postmaterial paradigm of discourse is valid. The subject is interpolated into a neocultural capitalism that includes art as a paradox.

But the postmaterial paradigm of discourse states that society, paradoxically, has objective value. Hubbard[17] holds that the works of Burroughs are empowering.

In a sense, Derrida suggests the use of semioticist deconstruction to challenge the status quo. Baudrillard uses the term 'the postmaterial paradigm of discourse' to denote the role of the participant as poet.

But in Queer, Burroughs reiterates neocultural capitalism; in The Soft Machine, however, he analyses Derridaist reading. The characteristic theme of the works of Burroughs is the difference between sexual identity and culture.

1. Wilson, S. C. (1976) The postmaterial paradigm of discourse and semioticist deconstruction. O'Reilly & Associates
2. Dahmus, E. ed. (1987) Deconstructing Surrealism: Semioticist deconstruction and the postmaterial paradigm of discourse. Panic Button Books

3. von Ludwig, V. E. W. (1990) Semioticist deconstruction in the works of Lynch. O'Reilly & Associates

4. Hanfkopf, R. I. ed. (1971) The Absurdity of Class: Semioticist deconstruction, Marxism and the neocapitalist paradigm of reality. And/Or Press

5. Drucker, V. (1995) The postmaterial paradigm of discourse in the works of Madonna. O'Reilly & Associates

6. Reicher, H. E. N. ed. (1971) The Burning Fruit: The postmaterial paradigm of discourse and semioticist deconstruction. Schlangekraft

7. von Junz, L. (1989) Semioticist deconstruction in the works of Eco. University of Illinois Press

8. de Selby, B. C. J. ed. (1973) Reading Baudrillard: Semioticist deconstruction and the postmaterial paradigm of discourse. And/Or Press

9. la Tournier, D. (1981) Semioticist deconstruction, preconstructivist narrative and Marxism. Schlangekraft

10. Scuglia, H. J. ed. (1970) The Economy of Society: The postmaterial paradigm of discourse in the works of Burroughs. Yale University Press

11. Wilson, O. F. Z. (1994) The postmaterial paradigm of discourse and semioticist deconstruction. University of Michigan Press

12. von Ludwig, M. L. ed. (1975) Semantic Theories: Semioticist deconstruction and the postmaterial paradigm of discourse. Oxford University Press

13. Hamburger, K. B. M. (1981) Semioticist deconstruction in the works of Koons. And/Or Press

14. Scuglia, F. ed. (1999) The Reality of Defining characteristic: Marxism, subsemantic feminism and semioticist deconstruction. University of Massachusetts Press

15. Bailey, J. P. (1980) The postmaterial paradigm of discourse and semioticist deconstruction. And/Or Press

16. Dietrich, F. W. Y. ed. (1974) The Economy of Reality: Semioticist deconstruction in the works of Spelling. Cambridge University Press

17. Hubbard, S. J. (1991) Semioticist deconstruction and the postmaterial paradigm of discourse. Panic Button Books

I'm actually a huge fan of Parry's works... anyone read The semantic paradigm of expression and constructivism? I can't recommend it enough. It really teaches you a lot about... stuff.

-Paws

[conny]

Stuff, yes.
I'd like to know more about that. About stuff.
Does it milk?
// C

[loophead]

Yes conny, some stuff definitely will milk !

[conny]

Yes conny, some stuff definitely will milk !

Oh, I'm so relieved.
This is a wonderful word!
It's late but a strongly feel I have to go looking for stuff that milks.
I might wake my neighbor up and ask her, maybe she does milk?


Oopps, she said... no, I'll spare you that one.
And (this is really sad) her cat was floating dead among the gold fishes.
I really don't know how to proceed...

// C

[kennerb]

Yes conny, some stuff definitely will milk !

Oh, I'm so relieved.
This is a wonderful word!
It's late but a strongly feel I have to go looking for stuff that milks.
I might wake my neighbor up and ask her, maybe she does milk?


Oopps, she said... no, I'll spare you that one.
And (this is really sad) her cat was floating dead among the gold fishes.
I really don't know how to proceed...

// C

I find the prerequisite and fundamental necessity of stuff that milks to be teats. The more teats the more milk. So if that floating cat has/had teats then I would wager that it indeed could have at one point and may still with concerted effort bring forth milk. Cat milk at that.

[conny]

So if that floating cat has/had teats then I would wager that it indeed could have at one point and may still with concerted effort bring forth milk.

Auhm, yes... But spare me to describe the mess in the fish bowl after that. My fingers are still sticking to the keyboard with... parts of... stuff...

// C

[telekom]

I don't have a computer, so I installed Live on myself. However, it didn't work. So I uninstalled it again, and now everything works just fine. Which is great because it means girls can come up to me in clubs and press the little buttons on my chest to trigger clips. I'm still trying to improve the controller setup though, as my uc33 is now installed on my back. Makes it difficult for their hot little hands to trigger clips and use the controller at the same time. I may have myself split down the middle and unfolded so they can reach better. But you've no idea how tiring it is just constantly telling people to READ THE F***ING MANUAL !!!! and stop asking stupid questions !!!



Hey Robert you've got too much time on your hands now you've finished Live 5!!! Shouldn't you be taking all the Ableton staff for a nice dinner to say thank you for all their hard work ?
Thank me later Abletonians...

[confused]

[john gordon]

yes it does if you buy vista.

[ethios4]

so Ableton owns Microsoft now?