Ableton! Will Live 9 be released before year 2015?

[JuanSOLO]

What on earth are you doing that requires 200+ track count? Are you using Live for Orchestral tracking or Film post production?

I would answer, trying to do what "I" want to do with Live, not what you try to do.

[puzzlefactory]

What on earth are you doing that requires 200+ track count? Are you using Live for Orchestral tracking or Film post production?

I would answer, trying to do what "I" want to do with Live, not what you try to do.

Easy tiger, i'm just asking a question.

I'm not putting down anyone's workflow practices, I'm actually genuinely interested. The only time i've heard anyone talking about those kind of track counts is, like i said, with Orchestral tracking and Film post production (2 subjects which interest me). When people have talked about this kind of thing, they always talk about using HD systems, not with Ableton. If someone is doing projects of a similar scale using Live then i would like to hear about it.

[JuanSOLO]

OK

[friend_kami]

try pushing your track content above 200 tracks and see how convenient it is to work with.
now zoom in really really close while you're at it and cry yourself to sleep.

What on earth are you doing that requires 200+ track count? Are you using Live for Orchestral tracking or Film post production?

sound design, mostly.
i can easily sit with 5 layers that each have a track count of 20-30 tracks.
i love live to death because there is no other program that is as friendly in terms of sound design as live (racks, anyone?), but they seem to have done some mistake with it. a group track with 30 tracks in it takes up alot of uneccessary space in the arrangement; when i group my track i group it for a reason; i don't need to see the contents of it at that moment.

i can do impact hits that takes roughly 1 second in total and is compromised out of 20-30 tracks and shit tons of racks. when i'm done with this impact, i might group it, and do 6 more, and group those. this will then be the finished impact.

this way i have 100% control of the entire impact, including all the sublayers, and the contents of those layers as well. i never consolidate something until i am absolutely certain that this particular thing works perfectly with what i am doing.

i also frequently find myself rewriting certain pieces of music and automation parts because of the lack of precise automation with live.
when i do my noise projects i can work in 700-800 bpm and use the warping engine to affect the audio, which works great until you want precise automation.

when i do my electronicapostrock stuffs i cry everytime i want to make a proper filtersweep because i hear it stepping.
when i do my electronica/idm stuff i cry everytime i try to edit things at an incredibly high zoomrate because everytime i move a piece of a clip live lags up when i am panning left or right in the arrangement view.

live is great but it's really not meant for any real work i've noticed. it's like how reason was meant to be a sketchpad only (although i guess they fixed that with r6?).
step into any production studio at any time and count the tracks.
100 tracks is by no means uncommon.

[xzusa8ky]

try pushing your track content above 200 tracks and see how convenient it is to work with.
now zoom in really really close while you're at it and cry yourself to sleep.

What on earth are you doing that requires 200+ track count? Are you using Live for Orchestral tracking or Film post production?

sound design, mostly.
i can easily sit with 5 layers that each have a track count of 20-30 tracks.
i love live to death because there is no other program that is as friendly in terms of sound design as live (racks, anyone?), but they seem to have done some mistake with it. a group track with 30 tracks in it takes up alot of uneccessary space in the arrangement; when i group my track i group it for a reason; i don't need to see the contents of it at that moment.

i can do impact hits that takes roughly 1 second in total and is compromised out of 20-30 tracks and shit tons of racks. when i'm done with this impact, i might group it, and do 6 more, and group those. this will then be the finished impact.

this way i have 100% control of the entire impact, including all the sublayers, and the contents of those layers as well. i never consolidate something until i am absolutely certain that this particular thing works perfectly with what i am doing.

i also frequently find myself rewriting certain pieces of music and automation parts because of the lack of precise automation with live.
when i do my noise projects i can work in 700-800 bpm and use the warping engine to affect the audio, which works great until you want precise automation.

when i do my electronicapostrock stuffs i cry everytime i want to make a proper filtersweep because i hear it stepping.
when i do my electronica/idm stuff i cry everytime i try to edit things at an incredibly high zoomrate because everytime i move a piece of a clip live lags up when i am panning left or right in the arrangement view.

live is great but it's really not meant for any real work i've noticed. it's like how reason was meant to be a sketchpad only (although i guess they fixed that with r6?).
step into any production studio at any time and count the tracks.
100 tracks is by no means uncommon.

...Hmmm...sound to me like you are complicating things! Why dont you hear your filter sweeps? Why do you work at 800-900 bpm!? 100-200 tracks!? Why do you layer all your sounds!? Is it all nessesary? I think you should overthink the way you work, otherwise you will spend the rest of your life here on the forum, because the concept you are trying to work with will for sure need a "Cluster" to being reallized!...But i wish you all the good things with your music.....

[dday]

I'd say it's well worth waiting on.

[friend_kami]

...Hmmm...sound to me like you are complicating things! Why dont you hear your filter sweeps? Why do you work at 800-900 bpm!? 100-200 tracks!? Why do you layer all your sounds!? Is it all nessesary? I think you should overthink the way you work, otherwise you will spend the rest of your life here on the forum, because the concept you are trying to work with will for sure need a "Cluster" to being reallized!...But i wish you all the good things with your music.....

i hear my filtersweeps just fine. i also hear how they are stepping when i want them to sweep smoothly. i could get them to sweep smoothly by zooming in ridiculously far and doing a smooth envelope, but the fact that i HAVE to do that in order to get them to sweep smoothly is quite ridiculous.

why i work at 700-800 bpm is because i do things like this:
http://soundcloud.com/gbsr/fffrrarskdhgkasdghkasdhgkshg
http://soundcloud.com/gbsr/whitenoisecomp-2nd-run
http://soundcloud.com/gbsr/milehighscie ... ightyear-1

..., and why i work with 100-200 tracks is because i do those things + i do sound design and i make all the components myself from scratch, and/or us components from my own libraries which i layer up and re-process.

it's not complicated at all. it's just stupid that live isn't made to work with more then 20 tracks at the most. the whole idea of spending 1 minute with your scrollwheel in arrangementview just because live refuses to hide grouptracks and have it's own inline groupoverview for exmaple is just retarded.

just because you are doing fine with 6 tracks and a metronome doesn't mean that everybody works that way. i have my reasons for using those many tracks, those many groups, submix groups, racks, devices, clips and instruments.
you have your reasons not to use them.

[oddstep]

cool tracks... I can imagine them being really time consuming to automate by hand in Live.

[rpc9943]

I haven't heard the tracks, but dude 200+ tracks sounds absurd to me. Whatever you're doing, cool man. Maybe it's time to switch hosts, though if you're expecting to work with that many tracks realistically.

Yikes.

RonC

[regretfullySaid]

Maybe there's a misconception. Having 200 tracks doesn't mean you have a lot of audio going on at the same time. Or maybe you're trying to compensate for something else, mm?

[3dot...]

as to the OP..
don't you worry mate...
because a little birdy told me ..that L9 is coming out 2 weeks before 2015..
with new features..

[JuanSOLO]

as to the OP..
don't you worry mate...
because a little birdy told me ..that L9 is coming out 2 weeks before 2015..
with new features..

That conflicts with my time travels to NAMM 2012, Ableton was there making an announcement that they were releasing a new app, it records automation to session using 64bit, but it doesn't do ANYTHING ELSE.

[3dot...]

they're hard at work on the share functions..
you would actually be able to buy/sell shares and stocks quantized to a beat..

[dbfs]

These punk bitch douchebags on this forum piss me off with their snarky little amateur hour comments. Don't worry about why the guy needs 200 tracks. Thats not your problem or concern at all... So mind your own fucking business!

People's mentality on forums is fuckin bizarre at best. If they aren't doing something even remotely close to what you are doing, then they can't possibly figure out why someone else would. Everything revolves around their sad, sheltered laptop studio where they think they are all engineers because they got a fuckin cracked waves bundle and a shitty opinion.

Guy 1 - Help, I'm running 50 instances of Omnispehere, and I'm having an issue with fades on each track.. anyone help me?
Guy 2 - OMG!!! WHY ARE YOU USING 50 OMNISPEHERES!1!!!11! I'VE NEVER HAD TO USE 50 OMNISPHERES.. UR DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!!(because my puny little brain can't comprehend anything outside of my shitty little existence.)
Guy 3 - Anyone who uses 50 instances of Omnisphere should be shot in the head.. Theres no reason to ever have that many because <insert some random situation that has nothing to do with the original post>
Guy 1 - So, no ones having issues with Fades on Omnispehere??
Guy 4 - 50 Instances of Omnispehere?!?!?! Who would ever do such a thing??
Guy 1 - Can i get some help with Fades?
Guy 5 - Sorry, your using 50 instances of Omnispehere... Theres clearly something else going on that has nothing to do with fades.
Guy 1 - Nevermind...

Rinse, recycle, repeat... - I must have seen that thread about 1435567 times on this forum. And its always the same little opinionated shit stain kid with no talent, but they are DYING for you to hear their worthless opinion.

All you little whiny bitches that are concerned with how other people use the tools provided to them can go hug a dick. Please sell your software, recording gear and get the fuck out of audio and leave it to the big boys who actually have talent and innovative thinking. Not some bitchy little kid with Dr. Boss 670 and a copy of Ableton.

[3dot...]