tip: morphing between 2 presets

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tip: morphing between 2 presets

Post by peeddrroo » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:16 pm

note1: i've only tried it on the operator, but i think you can also do it with simpler and impulse, if you don't change the waveforms
note2: only works in arrangement view

you can morph between 2 presets that have completely different parameters: just record while you switch presets, all the parameters will be edited in the arrangement's automation. you then need to find which ones have changed, and redraw the automation to make them change smoothly, your kick drum turning into a fat lead synth...

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Post by Clearscreen » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:44 pm

HOLY GUACAMOLE! i just tried this with a vst and it works as well!! this means you CAN change vst presets in an arrangement! nice one!
doesn't work when you bring it around to session view for some reason.
if this worked in session you could change presets there seamlessly during a set. wonder why this doesn't work?
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Post by Clearscreen » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:50 pm

i wonder if you could use this to change presets during a session view set. if you drop back to arrangement and have keys mapped to trigger points in the arrangement...
hmmm. sounds a bit unwieldy. i'll have to try it later though...
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Post by hoffman2k » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:21 am

Clearscreen wrote:i wonder if you could use this to change presets during a session view set. if you drop back to arrangement and have keys mapped to trigger points in the arrangement...
hmmm. sounds a bit unwieldy. i'll have to try it later though...
Unfortunatly. You cannot acces ALL of the parameters in session.
This only works in arrangement view.

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Post by cyclyk » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:48 am

simple and magic, thanks!!

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Post by peeddrroo » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:28 am

it doesn't work in session, because the automation edited in session is only relative (and displayed in clip's enveloppes).
here (in arrangement view), the automation is edited at the arrangement level, which is absolute (ie REALLY moving the knob parameter value).

but session view is mainly for live performance, and performing live means YOU have to do the tweaking yourself, not let the computer do it! :wink:

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Post by hoffman2k » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:42 am

peeddrroo wrote:it doesn't work in session, because the automation edited in session is only relative (and displayed in clip's enveloppes).
here (in arrangement view), the automation is edited at the arrangement level, which is absolute (ie REALLY moving the knob parameter value).

but session view is mainly for live performance, and performing live means YOU have to do the tweaking yourself, not let the computer do it! :wink:
Yeah. But it would be a nice workaround till we get program changes for the operator :wink:

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Post by EricP » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:30 pm

I use this trick for operator preset morphing and I find a quick way to draw the morph curves is to simply select the time length over which you want the morph to happen and Ctl+Del (Delete Envelope).

Live automatically draws a line joining the source and destination values. You can add 1-2 breakpoints in the middle for non-linear morphs.

Also, one nice effect is to morph various parameters over time intervals of different lengths (like the oscillators pitch params - A morph over 1 bar, B over 2 bars ...)

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Post by Angstrom » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:51 pm

such a shame that session view remains undernourished with regard to controllers and parameters .. ah well maybe in Live 6

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Post by Machinate » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:03 pm

yeah... or 7... :roll:

ah well, can't complain really.
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Re: tip: morphing between 2 presets

Post by » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:09 am

Cool hint!
peeddrroo wrote:you then need to find which ones have changed
Btw, you don't need to 'find' them because Operator shows all changes with little red dots on the panel of Operator. Just click the 'dotted' parameter and respective automation will show up in the arrangement. :)

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