Bitwait....I mean Bitwig

[simmerdown]

i scared, because you are obviously super angry about something, and a super one-man programming team, and super-agressive, so i'll stick to pictures



if you had a point to make about bitwig, you lost it a few pages ago, so why not, for we retards, restate it in twitter format (thats 140 characters, if that reference is too 'out there')

[sdfak1234]

Thank you for reacting. I made my point to this thread on page 1, 3rd post in 287 characters. Everything else is just shooting fish in barrels.

How about this tweet in 28 characters: go fuck yourself simmerdown.

[simmerdown]

you counted those? wow, you are super

but by 'winning', you lose...like charlie sheen

[sdfak1234]

you counted those? wow, you are super

but by 'winning', you lose...like charlie sheen

You kinda don't deserve this, because you haven't actually bothered me... but I'm kinda confused; why have u put quotes on 'out there' and 'winning'?? I think you may be seeing text that isn't there.

Now go and do your google image search for a good comeback

[ttilberg]

Good suggestion sdfak1234, I think everybody should pick one prior to posting their actual comments on this thread from here out:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&aut ... yAGd3YHYCg




Also this thread is crazy.

Also I look forward to Bitwig's eventual release. I think there has been a lot of plague around products that are publicly "announced" too early. I've been following a Behringer CMD thread for a year now on DJTT, and it's filled with vitriol from people upset that it was announced at NAMM last year, but still hasn't been finished and sent out yet. Interestingly enough though, if B just waited another year to announce it, there would only be raging boners, no sad boners. I feel the same way about Bitwig. The longer it takes to bring to a larger public, the sadder the raging boners become.

I think in general, there is too much pressure behind the gimmick of releasing the next best thing. Overzealous marketing has become a little too rampant with the instant communication platforms, and introduction of social media marketing. I'm sure all of these companies have good intentions when they announce their various products, but the internet is a crazy place of small minorities having extremely loud voices crying: "ZOMG Y IT NOT IN MY WAREZ YET? GAWWWD. ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"

[simpli.cissimus]

This here is the only DAW-related forum that has such stupid hard-core idiots as users.
Without brain and no common sense how to have a constructive discussion.
Who don't know how to accept and allow someones thoughts.

I look at the Studio One forum and can't find any stupid idiots there.
Posting pictures ! (of their inner state...)

Here is the place where they "Live"...




...and never come out to have a career with music.

[lowshelf]

No need to fret. I mean, isn't it pretty obvious that... Oh this.

[Timbeaux]

This here is the only DAW-related forum that has such stupid hard-core idiots as users.
Without brain and no common sense how to have a constructive discussion.
Who don't know how to accept and allow someones thoughts.

Normal forum trolling as in every forum...

ur post aint doing it better

[SpeedKing]

It is a small company. I'm not going to prove anything to you. To prove that statement is true I'd have to actually do it, which of course I'm not willing to do...(obviously what a retarded comment?)

No, proving that you've done something as complex as Ableton is what would 'prove' that it is within the realm of possibility. That's cool you own a software company (seriously), and if that's the case, then you obviously do know about building software and the work it takes. Which is why it surprises me about what you say. If you own a software company then you know that it's not a linear relationship between lines of code to update and how much time it takes. The larger and more complex a program becomes, the more amount of time it takes to do small things that would take a shorter time with a smaller or freshly built program.

I think you guys have taken this a little bit too far, I do vaguely know what is involved in such a project and I BELIEVE I could do it, I could be wrong, to think that I could even make that statement with 100% certainly is absolutely stupid, and by the way, any software developer would know that... I never thought anyone would take that 100% literally. I am however 100% certain that I could've made the Live 9 updates in 3 years... please don't bother arguing this point any further because it's OBVIOUSLY POINTLESS.

Fair enough. I think you're wrong, and you don't. Life goes on.

"just enough to sound like you do, but you really don't".. well that's going to be helpful on a forum huh? this is where I say what your saying is BS. "insulting comment" how the fuck is that insulting? 3 years would be enough for most software projects, there are companies that write entire operating systems in that time.

I'm not denying that three years is a long time for these updates. But there's also a difference between a purely software writing business, and a business that has other obligations. Who knows, maybe there were times where Ableton had to scale back programmers for the sake of some other aspect of their business. Or who knows, maybe Push took coding time away from the main program for longer than they thought. Or who knows whatever else happened. I don't, and neither do you.

See what you're doing here is that stupid ad hominem shit again, instead of addressing the argument and the issue at hand, you're focusing on something that isn't even relevant and thinking that somehow makes all my statements false, get the fuck out of here. Wasting my time.

Hmm, I don't recall addressing much more than directly what you were saying. Either way, when someone seems to get personal or snarky (in a positive or negative way) over a software update, then that person needs to re-prioritize where they direct their emotion. That's my opinion anyway.

[Donnie]

This here is the only DAW-related forum that has such stupid hard-core idiots as users

Almost as funny as some guy saying he could code all of Ableton Live in 3 years by himself.

Obvious troll posts are obvious. Seriously, some of you guys post shit intended to inflame but get all high and mighty when people react to it. Whatever gets you off I guess.

BTW...bitwig = unicorn. Something tells me that this mythical beast is going to fly in with a broken wing and a bum leg. I'll consider it when it can be shown to be as stable as live in a live environment. Until then the argument is just a time waster at best.

[simmerdown]

Posting pictures ! (of their inner state...)

Here is the place where they "Live"...

dude, i think someone hacked your signature, they put a stupid gif, and some small-minded, presumptive text. i suggest you contact admin right away

(project much? i seems you fit right in)

[leisuremuffin]

hey sdfak - i find it very interesting that you are so polite and reasonable on the beta forum, but so aggressive and rude here. why is that? Perhaps if you could get through a debate without insulting people you might get a better result. I don't understand how you can be making posts about ad hominem attacks in the same breath that you are calling people morons, idiots and telling them to go fuck themselves. It's pretty ridiculous.

[H20nly]

BTW...bitwig = unicorn. Something tells me that this mythical beast is going to fly in with a broken wing and a bum leg. I'll consider it when it can be shown to be as stable as live in a live environment. Until then the argument is just a time waster at best.

this.


@ sdfak1234 - you might wanna come up with plan D. because:

plan A.bleton you have no qualms about stating hasn't worked for you

plan B.itwig is a long shot at best... maybe having the same development team just gets you to the same place faster

plan C.unt post at people on the forum who challenge your intellectual prowess, musical genius and software developing skills seems kinda moot with out any proof of these

plan D.on't expect too much and you won't get let down might cause less friction

[regretfullySaid]

I think it'll do well.
Enough to draw some users in from every other daw i think, for one reason or the other...

"FL was too crowded, Reaper was too complex to set up, Live is still behind with 9", etc.

Optimistic with this one.

[su]

Quote me or shut the fuck up little boy.

Philosophy 103: Introduction to Logic
Argumentum Ad Hominem
Abstract: The argument concerning the attack of a person's character or circumstances is characterized and shown to be sometimes persuasive but normally fallacious.

I'm not going to get into any kind of any arguments about what I am or not because that would be argumentum ad hominem (some people here need to learn about this).

I know man, most of these kids are fucking retarded,

Double Hint: You can go fuck yourself as well stringtapper

go fuck yourself simmerdown.

I don't "like" it, it's not out yet, I will reserve my judgement which is what I think everyone should do....

Bitwig looks infinitely more modern and forward thinking, and accommodating to the new needs of audio professionals.

and yes it looks like a bunch of upstarts (Bitwig) are in fact doing better, regardless of how hard that is to believe. I'm just wondering if Bitwig really do blow the doors off Ableton, will people finally then accept that Ableton has ground to a halt?