logic look

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:49 pm

FORMAT wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:
Live looks like something made in Max/MSP...still...... I wouldn't call that modern, more like about 15 years old.
Well, this exactly is modern about Ableton -- as every other product tries to emulate shiny real-looking surfaces complete with shadows and other gimmicks... not realising that these software products will never rival the real thing let alone come close (in terms of user experience/immediate access)...

This would make sense if we were talking about Digital Performer, Reason, or SX3, but Logic really doesn't look a bit like hardware to me?
I would like it if Live was at least interesting looking, I don't find it interesting looking at all, it's rather dull. As far as GUI saving CPU, well honestly nowadays it's not really much of a hit.
It's not a major deal, but I personally like the way Digital Performer and Reason look, but I can see being cautious considering SX3!

kineticUk wrote: Logic isnt that good u should get off its d***

What are you 13 years old? Does your mom know you're using the computer?

FORMAT · Post by **FORMAT** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:43 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
FORMAT wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:
Live looks like something made in Max/MSP...still...... I wouldn't call that modern, more like about 15 years old.
Well, this exactly is modern about Ableton -- as every other product tries to emulate shiny real-looking surfaces complete with shadows and other gimmicks... not realising that these software products will never rival the real thing let alone come close (in terms of user experience/immediate access)...
This would make sense if we were talking about Digital Performer, Reason, or SX3, but Logic really doesn't look a bit like hardware to me?
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I think it does -- look at all the instruments (B3, Ultrabeat....) They're all super intensive on the graphics chip.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm

My only wishes would be for multiple monitor support, tear-off palettes, and customizable skin colors.

Otherwise, the graphics are fantastic. If I wanted a 3-d reflective brushed-metal glowing LED look with shadows, radiosity, caustics, etc, I'd buy a hardware synth. Wasting computer power just to make something look like hardware is an absolutely ridiculous waste of resources. But I'm sure it works for some people, in the same way that rabbits and deer are mesmerized by approaching car lights.

I'm glad Ableton didn't stoop to those depths. Leave that to Logic/Cubase/etc.

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:12 pm

Live`s GUI is a very, very good concept (simple, clear, individual ...) whitch also have a lot of space for nice improvements in the future.

Please, please, please, dont follow cubase, logic, tracktion, reason, arturia, native instruments, etc ...

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:45 am

FORMAT wrote:I think it does -- look at all the instruments (B3, Ultrabeat....) They're all super intensive on the graphics chip.

I was talking about Logic itself, not the plug ins, yeah, the plugs are pretty intense. Of course then one has to ask if Logic is hogging resources with it's graphics, why does it have about 40% more headroom on the CPU than Live?

Honestly I was as concerned as you guys are about Live getting silly looking, but about Logic when Apple bought it. They did only really minor adjustments to the GUI, thank god.

sonicsol · Post by **sonicsol** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:50 am

kineticUk wrote: Logic isnt that good u should get off its d***

Logic kicks a ton of ass!!!

and so does LIVE... they both have there highlights. I actually don't mind the LIVE GUI I think its simple and effective. I personally could care less if each knob I tweak on software has a cute little animated shadow to go along with it. I prefer just to keep it clean and easy on the CPU.

But yes it would be very nice to have detachable windows in live, and a quick way to get to em such as Logics window sets. It is a bit strange that some apps such as logic and Fruity have round juicy looking GUI's and still get as good or better track counts compared to live.....???

abel · Post by **abel** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:05 am

Live is what it is and works great at it....i dont want it to change in functionality compared to logic....But coming from an extensive background in logic, then quiting cold turkey and switching over to live was horrible for mixing songs. When you have 50-60 audio tracks 10-20 midi tracks and 10 sends working live cant even compare to the easy layout of logic...i have my sequence in one window and mixer in another and whenever i click on a track in the sequence it brings me to the proper channel strip in the mixer window.. Maybe you A.D.D having new generation locked groove punks just dont know any better. I dont need my clip view stretched across two monitors.....

DJRetard · Post by **DJRetard** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:15 am

hambone1 wrote:My only wishes would be for multiple monitor support, tear-off palettes, and customizable skin colors.

Otherwise, the graphics are fantastic. If I wanted a 3-d reflective brushed-metal glowing LED look with shadows, radiosity, caustics, etc, I'd buy a hardware synth. Wasting computer power just to make something look like hardware is an absolutely ridiculous waste of resources. But I'm sure it works for some people, in the same way that rabbits and deer are mesmerized by approaching car lights.

I'm glad Ableton didn't stoop to those depths. Leave that to Logic/Cubase/etc.

Sorry Hambone but I dont think Steinberg stooped to any low depths. Theyve been on the go a long time and have probably learned a thing or two over the past twenty years. For all SX3s excellent features I find the interface totally clutter free. I can have 40+ audio tracks running and zoom around the software at lightning speed. Its totally customiseable, dual monitor support, Dual cpu support and totally optimised for PC. It also has the nicest virtual mixer of any Daw out there. Large accurate meters etc. Very nice when mixing.

If after twenty years ABleton are still going I wonder what their gui will look like.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:00 am

"...stoop to those depths" was perhaps a bit harsh...

I'm purely for functionality over glossy good looks when it comes to GUIs. It's just nice to see something simple that works. But yes, it could use improvement, in my opinion. At least give us the option to customize it, so if we want to leave it in it's simple form, we can. But, if we want tear-off palettes, multiple monitor support, etc, we can do that, too.

yannxou · Post by **yannxou** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:30 am

I personally don't like small blured fonts. There should be an option to switch to a pixel font which is easy to read in small sizes.

Also, the font color is the same in all the skins!

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:21 pm

I finally ditched my aging CRT monitors for TFTs.

What a difference! Even the low-contrast Live skins are now useable.

I'd still like to customize the colors for on-stage use.

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:03 pm

Logic looks like ass.

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:04 am

Sorry for offending any logic lovers with my earlier post.
I just dont get what the big fuss is all about.

Anyway got to go, my mom doesnt know im on the computer

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:22 am

hambone1 wrote:I finally ditched my aging CRT monitors for TFTs.

What a difference! Even the low-contrast Live skins are now useable.

I'd still like to customize the colors for on-stage use.

Me too! Live looks much better on a TFT. I would also really like to be able to tweak the colour scheme. I really like the Portolino skin but unfortunately the fonts are still in black, which is practically unreadable.

I don't get why anybody still wants their software to look like pictures of hardware, 3d and such. A picture of a knob is not a knob, it's just a picture! The real thing with Live's gui is that it's designed to hook REAL hardware to, then you don't have to look at little pictures of knobs any more.

Sharkcellar · Post by **Sharkcellar** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:51 am

God the simplicity of the Live GUI is one of the main selling points to me. I really am not a fan of the trompe l'oeil GUI's that most programs have (with the exception of Reason

). I think that the simple flat 2D look is far more utilitarian and soothing to work in than the whole "Wow! Those knobs look like real 1950's chicken head knobs!" Screw that stuff. Leave it how it is. Isn't it really all about the music and not refresh rates?

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