Rant: Why I hate Live

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locojohn
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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by locojohn » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:03 am

dna598 wrote:number 2 is wrong in all aspects, TLDR
I don't feel lazy to agree with the original author of the post. Impossibility of scrolling to a particular position within the previewed track is a serious limitation for *DJs*.

Andrejs
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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by xbitz » Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:18 am

locojohn wrote:
dna598 wrote:number 2 is wrong in all aspects, TLDR
I don't feel lazy to agree with the original author of the post. Impossibility of scrolling to a particular position within the previewed track is a serious limitation for *DJs*.

Andrejs
>> Resonic Player http://resonic.at/ ;) (win) AudioFinder http://www.icedaudio.com/site/ (mac)

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by ansolas » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:33 am

xbitz wrote:
locojohn wrote:
dna598 wrote:number 2 is wrong in all aspects, TLDR
I don't feel lazy to agree with the original author of the post. Impossibility of scrolling to a particular position within the previewed track is a serious limitation for *DJs*.

Andrejs
>> Resonic Player http://resonic.at/ ;) (win) AudioFinder http://www.icedaudio.com/site/ (mac)
This one as well:
http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Snapper/snapper.html

Anyways you can jump to section of the preview :

http://screencast.com/t/oihIOgAFd9

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by locojohn » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:11 pm

ansolas wrote:
locojohn wrote:
I don't feel lazy to agree with the original author of the post. Impossibility of scrolling to a particular position within the previewed track is a serious limitation for *DJs*.

Andrejs
Anyways you can jump to section of the preview :

http://screencast.com/t/oihIOgAFd9
It won't work with non-warped clips or new files.

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by ansolas » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:17 pm

locojohn wrote:
ansolas wrote:
locojohn wrote:
I don't feel lazy to agree with the original author of the post. Impossibility of scrolling to a particular position within the previewed track is a serious limitation for *DJs*.

Andrejs
Anyways you can jump to section of the preview :

http://screencast.com/t/oihIOgAFd9
It won't work with non-warped clips or new files.

Andrejs
Hm its working here with any file , even mp3 files which I have never opened in live before? You need to disable RAW tho to make that work.

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by chrk » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:40 pm

ansolas wrote:Hm its working here with any file , even mp3 files which I have never opened in live before? You need to disable RAW tho to make that work.
You may also have to have automatic warping of long files enabled in the preferences (wich I for example don't).

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by ansolas » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:42 pm

chrk wrote:
ansolas wrote:Hm its working here with any file , even mp3 files which I have never opened in live before? You need to disable RAW tho to make that work.
You may also have to have automatic warping of long files enabled in the preferences (wich I for example don't).
Jip I have enabled that option.

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by locojohn » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:58 pm

ansolas wrote:Hm its working here with any file , even mp3 files which I have never opened in live before? You need to disable RAW and wait for the waveform is drown fully tho to make that work.
It isn't working here both with RAW switched on and off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6Ss8QjHBY

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by ansolas » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:59 pm

locojohn wrote:
ansolas wrote:Hm its working here with any file , even mp3 files which I have never opened in live before? You need to disable RAW and wait for the waveform is drown fully tho to make that work.
It isn't working here both with RAW switched on and off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6Ss8QjHBY

Andrejs
The previous guys were correct, it only works if you have Auto Warping for long Samples enabled in Preferences.

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by locojohn » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:08 pm

ansolas wrote:
locojohn wrote:
ansolas wrote:Hm its working here with any file , even mp3 files which I have never opened in live before? You need to disable RAW and wait for the waveform is drown fully tho to make that work.
It isn't working here both with RAW switched on and off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6Ss8QjHBY

Andrejs
The previous guys were correct, it only works if you have Auto Warping for long Samples enabled in Preferences.
Look, it does not ALWAYS work even with "Auto-Warp Long Samples" enabled in the Preferences. I think it depends on what Live considers as "long samples"... For example, I have a 30 second sample, which I was previewing in the browser, which I consider to be long enough to be able to scroll to a certain position, however, Live did not let me do that.



Same with many other clips.
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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by locojohn » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:12 pm

In fact, not being able to scroll to any position within an unwarped track, both during preview or while a clip is playing in the session view is IMHO a serious shortcoming.

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by Schmidi » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:42 pm

I think you should demo Tracktion 5 honestly. It addresses a number of the points you mention.

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by 5blackcats » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:04 pm

who fucking cares?
try bigwig or whatever the fuck you want.
I don't give a fuck.
Anyone else here gives a fuck? NO.

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by ansolas » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:06 pm

:D
What I have learned over time, is that there is no perfect system.
You can either worry about things or just make music...

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Re: Rant: Why I hate Live

Post by Stromkraft » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:30 pm

ansolas wrote::D
What I have learned over time, is that there is no perfect system.
You can either worry about things or just make music...
You're right that you need to just make the music. However, no matter what you need to learn the new environment as you do that. It took me a year to "get" Live after using Logic for all those years. I think it was worth it, but I understand that you can feel frustrated when Live doesn't work as expected.
Make some music!

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