Yosemite problems?

[beats me]

From what I can tell Apple seems to be working at a snail’s pace with getting bugs fixed and I’m just going to assume music producers aren’t exactly at the top of their priority list, or even in the middle. This is even scarier if they continue to insist on a yearly new OS release. If you feel you have to upgrade the OS then it’s probably best to wait until the new version is about to drop and the current version will no longer be available. Maybe a little less than a year of bug fixes will make it stable.

[H20nly]

^ yeah. that makes perfect sense.

because it's okay if it happens on Apple hardware.

I hate troubleshooting instead of making music.

this.

and Mac users by the dozen reply with "get a Mac" as if it is the be all solution to any and all DAW/Windows issues.
i have a Mac.
fucking lying liars.

No, The truth is, if you get a mac and NEVER install the absolute latest (OS/Software/Update) then you usually have zero problems.

I was a mac hater for years but the truth is, for what we do, Macs are just more stable out of the box, period. If I wouldn't have updated to the latest and greatest (Yosemite), odds are I would be absolutely fine right now. No surprise here. Im an idiot, I went to college for computer security. I know never to update right away, But thats what happens when you get drunk and feeling frisky. I put it in and now its infected. What were we talking about again? Oh yes, so I knew better and I F'ed up. Should have stayed away from Yosemite for a lilttle while.

i'm right there with you. i almost updated to Yosemite twice. it was easier to walk away the second time. reading your story makes me love Mavericks all the more.

i really only replied with what i was thinking because i'm interested in how this works out for you...
i hope you get it sorted.

[beats me]

The main reason I haven’t upgraded to Yosemite yet is NI isn’t 100% confident their hardware will work yet, as reported by NI. And TBH I hope they take their sweet time getting there because I don’t want to upgrade on NI’s pass only to discover there’s some other horseshit issues I will be getting with other software.

[Stromkraft]

I hate troubleshooting instead of making music.

this.

and Mac users by the dozen reply with "get a Mac" as if it is the be all solution to any and all DAW/Windows issues.
i have a Mac.
fucking lying liars.

So you make up arguments from your own fantasy of what you author people might could have said (but they actually didn't) and then you argue against that? I think there's a medical term for that.

Now, I want you to sell your Mac — you know you want to do it —  and get an old Atari 1040 ST with built-in MIDI ports. Install "Dr T" on it. I guarantee you won't have any DAW, Windows or OS X issues. not one. It really will end all issues you're having with those three.

In fact, you probably will have no issues with the web or email either, unless you keep your phone of course. Your life will be much, much better and you'll make shitloadz of music on the real gear you connect to that lovely ST. Instead of those hours being here you can work extra to afford it (better keep that phone so you can buy more real gear). Good luck!

[Stromkraft]

The main reason I haven’t upgraded to Yosemite yet is NI isn’t 100% confident their hardware will work yet, as reported by NI. And TBH I hope they take their sweet time getting there because I don’t want to upgrade on NI’s pass only to discover there’s some other horseshit issues I will be getting with other software.

Well, that's NI in a nutshell isn't it? Make users upgrade when they don't want to and when they keep updating like good customers NI says they're going too fast.

[H20nly]

So you make up arguments from your own fantasy of what you author people might could have said (but they actually didn't) and then you argue against that? I think there's a medical term for that.

yeah i think it's called Mac vs. PC debate, but i'm not sure it's medical terminology...

i won't be upgrading my Mac yet. good thing it didn't come with Yosemite.

the OP understood what i was saying... and really anybody who has had to read through the
"get a Mac" response enough times knows what i'm saying too. you and beats me are such Apple fanboys so you may have not noticed it... since you were too busy nodding in agreement, but it's real

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and if getting a Mac was all it takes... then the OP wouldn't have this problem. all i was implying is that Macs have problems too... except yours, of course.

[Stromkraft]

all i was implying is that Macs have problems too... except yours, of course.

OK, fine! But we Mac users already know that. We have issues and We fix them. It's just my Mac has less issues than my PC. Because, you know, I'm a platform agnostic really. If I can get the best performance from a Windows machine I'd use it. I still might at some point, but at the moment my Macbook Pro got a new 960gb SSD and I'm busy making music.

[William Gibson]

well this went south quick.

[H20nly]

sorry about that William. i should know better than to than to blame Apple for Apple problems by now... and Apple users for talking out their ass.





potato = potato

computers. meh.

[Stromkraft]

sorry about that William. i should know better than to than to blame Apple for Apple problems by now... and Apple users for talking out their ass.

I guess you didn't get the proper Apple intro course, but blaming Apple is what Apple users typically do when that is appropriate. Sometimes Apple do stupid things. Other times they do the opposite.
It's quite pointless to blame Apple for issues with Ableton Live that actually cannot be clearly attributed to Apple though. It's very popular among developers to do that though and I can see the attraction.

I had recently very serious issues that made my Mac useless as a music tool. I could have chosen to blame Apple for my issues or Ableton, RME, Cycling74, Waves or whoever I thought just must be the culprit of my problems. Because it couldn't be me or anything I've done, right? It must be those evil companies.

Instead I chose something else and reinstalled Ableton Live, obliterated all VST demos lurking, all preferences for music apps, re-installed all VSTs, turned off AUs and bought a new SSD.

Now, take a guess what those actions resulted in.

[fishmonkey]

Apple is a nightmare for developers, and increasingly so. there can be no doubt that their resources are aimed squarely at the consumer market now.

[Stromkraft]

Apple is a nightmare for developers, and increasingly so. there can be no doubt that their resources are aimed squarely at the consumer market now.

Which is stupid because Developers are what makes Macs attractive. Apple must get their act together there. I must say that complaining to Apple seems to work. I suggest all Mac users do complain or raise issues, informatively and polite and very decisively with Apple feedback forms, support contacts, at the Apple store or at exhibitions.

Complaints is what brought back local iTunes syncing of Contacts and Calendars. Musicians can do similar things if the choose to complain to Apple instead of pointlessly whining in forums. Of course, seeking help is normal and not pointless and wanting to find out what the issues are too. But if you determine Apple is to blame, let them have it literally.

I have complained many times to Apple and results have been very good, though not perfect. Of course I have a Phd in complaining so.

[Stromkraft]

trim is active.

OK, but still you should rule out things one at a time. Do you have a second boot disk so you can take out the system disk you're using now? Can you try a second user? Have you made sure there are no disk errors?

What have you done now to find the cause beyond what you have already given us?

[William Gibson]

trim is active.

What have you done now to find the cause beyond what you have already given us?

I have sat online bitching and complaining.


Hey, just being honest...

[Stromkraft]

trim is active.

What have you done now to find the cause beyond what you have already given us?

I have sat online bitching and complaining.


Hey, just being honest...

You clearly haven't done that here so I don't know what that has to do with anything. I thought you were, you know, actively trying to find the cause of your issues and finding a workable solution. Not true?