YOUR Philosophy thread

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:14 pm

AdamJay wrote:you can do anything you want to do in life, you just have to want it enough.

yeah, that's what i said

.. or was that Nike .. wait ...
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Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:29 pm

"Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"- not philosophy, just the facts!

KennyB · Post by **KennyB** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:53 pm

"Good, Fast, Cheap - pick any TWO...."

conny · Post by **conny** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:13 pm

AdamJay wrote:you can do anything you want to do in life, you just have to want it enough.

I'm not sure this is philosophy, wisdom or rubbish.
Who is "you" here? And who is addressing "you"?

Feels like an advert for... my money.
But I'm trying to take it serious, though.
Problem is, it seems to apply to the strong and/or welthy part of us, only.

So much I, me, I me.
If I'm starving and want food...
Sorry Adam, just triggered the wrong end of me.

// C

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:18 pm

1)Imagine (it'll grow as your awareness grows)

2)feel

now you can experience it sensually in this lifetime

....and dismiss society's education so that ALL can be.

With this...there's no need for desiring

"Imagination is the theatre of coming attractions"
-Einstein

Avoid pondering this.....words are cheap.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:23 pm

supster wrote:
AdamJay wrote:you can do anything you want to do in life, you just have to want it enough.
yeah, that's what i said

.. or was that Nike .. wait ...
.

heh, for some reason the "just do it" thing rubs me the wrong way.
maybe its cause its so short and concise, or maybe cause i just equate it with Nike.

but i do believe that anyone can do absolutely anything. If you want to go to the moon, you can. It might take more work than someone born with a silver spoon in their mouth and the resources to afford an amazing education (or simply have the resources to give $20Million to go up as a private citizen). But if you want something badly enough in Life, you will achieve your goals. Desire is the ultimate motivator.

6 years ago i layed in the Intensive Care Unit of the local hospital and told myself that if i recovered from being so close to death that i would make music a full time profession and live off of music and only music. I wanted it enough, and 3 years later i was doing it. So its my best advice to everyone ,i believe the only absolute limitation we have is our lack of desire and the constant self-doubt that society leaves us with. Shed that and you can go to the moon.

Conny - i mean you as in "everyone"
i am addressing everyone.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:31 pm

I don't have the time to read this wonderful thread right now, but I thought that Conny deserved to be reciprocated with a Prop'eh Jive translation fo every wun.

Wal, ah did a tess at mah shrink t'other day, an' mah profile turned out (no surprise) t'be pessimistic an' occupied by strong fo'ces of anxiety/agony.
So mah simpless philosophy'd be: Stay away fum ev'rythin'! Fry mah hide!
Unfo'tunately thet kin not be done eff'n yo' hafta stay alive.

So ah's tryin' t'larn a startin' point:
* Eff'n yer hankerin' t'live, whut is necessary fo' thet?
* Lookin' at th' fundamental thin's thet is necessary, yo' kin say: ah's hankerin' t'do thet an' thet, on account o' ah's hankerin' t'live. (Note: "Want", not "Have to"! Fry mah hide!)
* Takin' this hyar up further through th' levels of livin', ev'rythin' will hafta pass th' tess if it is in acco'dance wif th' thin's ah said ah wanted on lower levels. Eff'n not, thay is not part of th' wantin'-to-live projeck, an' kin be neglecked, cuss it all t' tarnation.
Th' thin' wif this hyar in mah case is t'redefine th' tax of livin' fum a series of ah muss t'a series of ah want.

In mo'al issues, Jesus said it OK wif th' "Do t't'other as..." etc. Thet's basic an' a fine wawkin' fo'mula.

ah reckon philosophy has t'do wif th' smarts of bein' mo'tal, ah reckon. An' thass drivin' us insane o' wise o' mebbe into indiffrunt slaves t'whutevah thin' thet may blind us fum th' fack thet we will die.

Mahse'f mebbe bein' complicated, ah like simple thin's.
So rules of life c'd be:
* He/she is rich, who has simple joys
* Don't try t'fix whut is not busted
* Don't make th' bess postible into an inemah of whut's pow'ful quite fine.

ah pow'ful knows whuffo' God exists, whuffo' we hafta let him exist.
An' th' reason is thet we is constituded t'be communicatin' bein's.
An' fo' sech a creature thar has t'be sumpin in th' outermost ind thet we may talk to. A mirro', an echo.

A thread like this hyar is a prayer (excuse me!) an' an answer. Basicly: Talkin', interackin', exchangin', meetin' is whut git life into life, so t'speak. Shet mah mouth!
Flames t'th' can'le.

// C

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:43 pm

hm... Adam,
I am not as existentialist as you. I believe that certain people are more likely to A: Set high goals, and B: achieve them. And I think the factors determining this are mostly social structures, as opposed to genetics/divinities.

conny · Post by **conny** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:56 pm

LOFA wrote: Wal, ah did a tess at mah shrink t'other day, an' mah profile turned out (no surprise) t'be pessimistic an' occupied by strong fo'ces of anxiety/agony.
So mah simpless philosophy'd be: Stay away fum ev'rythin'! Fry mah hide!
Unfo'tunately thet kin not be done eff'n yo' hafta stay alive.

... love ...

// C

conny · Post by **conny** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:09 am

AdamJay wrote: Conny - i mean you as in "everyone"
i am addressing everyone.

Yeah, no clinch intended Adam.

Personal thing I guess.
At times I feel like I'm surrounded by "go-for-it" shoutings, and I just don't know what to do. Or what I want to do.
Frustrates me.
People I know tend to say that I may do whatever I'm intrerested in, but myself does not fullfill their/my expectations.

So at times I feel stuck between the go-for-it and I-don't-know side of things.

Blabla

// C

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:28 am

Machinate wrote:hm... Adam,
I am not as existentialist as you. I believe that certain people are more likely to A: Set high goals, and B: achieve them. And I think the factors determining this are mostly social structures, as opposed to genetics/divinities.

Andreas, although yes i am guilty as charged for being an existentialist to some degree, i actually agree with you that the determining factors to people achieving their goals are certainly not self imposed. I do however believe that a person is able to overcome the factors that may be in place working against them.

i guess my philosophy is a bit of a loop-hole in alot of what Heidegger thought.
although i try to shy away from deconstructionism, i think there is another layer of our "Being" that determines desire to overcome, not just desire to "be".

Can't wait to knock back a couple Duvels with you and Bjorn over these subjects.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:30 am

fuck anything that moves and some things that don't.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:17 am

he he, when I looked in my inbox this morning and saw "your philosohphy thread" I remembered and thought, oh no, should that have gone in the "drunken post" thread? But as usual the Abletonians are out in fine force and it was nice to wake up to 2 pages of replies!!

Conny: Sounds like you and I have alot in common!

Adam: you are absolutely right and in fact this is one of my biggest problems in life.

I was having this conversation with my sister recently after she had been staying with a family friend who is in her 60s and gets up at 4 am every day does 2 hours of yoga and then goes kayaking, she's one of those people who makes you feel like you're failing on every front if you dont do like shes does, but that's an illusion because as I said to my sis, the one resounding fact is she really wants to. It's no good feeling like you should do these things, you have to really want to.

So then at what point does the balance between doing what you want to do and what you HAVE to do meet up?

Adam you have managed to do what you set out to do after 3 years deciding to do it, I made that decision longer ago than that but have been too scattered and chaotic to meet it up with the world of money, and have spent the whole time building my skills and knowledge, (not to mention growing archive of NEARLY finshed music) but doing very little to get out there and make money from it. And it's like the longer I go on the harder it becomes to see it being a possibility!

And that's all I want too - I dont want to be a mega-star, I just want to be able to feel like all these hours spent are justified because they are paying the bills and putting food on the table.

I will never stop doing this, I just dont think I can, but I seriously need to evaluate how to make it sustainable in the real world. Not to mention the health implications of all these hours spent staring at a screen etc....

I grew up with alot of ideas on my philosohy on life, largely influenced by Buddhism, New age ideas, yoga, so on, but now at around 30 I find it's as if life has knocked alot of it out of me and Like conny said that can lead to a pessimistic outlook.

Being a Gemini I've often bounced between being hugely optimistic, and then quite negative - it's like all the ideas that were making me positive disolve and reveal their true selves and I slump.

I would be interested to see how much of that would change if I was earning all my income from doing what I love and not having to constantly scratch around for money.

Sometimes you need to have some kind of higher philosophy to get you through, even if it's just the love of money. You have to have something that you want enough to make you get it, otherwise you just coast through - but then maye that would be better? Less disappointments!!

so anyway, concise summary?? Maybe: "the only thing that lets you down is your expectations!"

mikemusicked · Post by **mikemusicked** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:26 am

42

with apologies to Douglas Adams and Deep Thought

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:34 am

KennyB wrote:"Good, Fast, Cheap - pick any TWO...."

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