Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by 102455 » Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:00 pm

IMO it would be more effective to embarrass them on social media, because it's visible. Sending an email doesn't get seen in public.

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by Machinesworking » Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:36 am

102455 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:00 pm
IMO it would be more effective to embarrass them on social media, because it's visible. Sending an email doesn't get seen in public.
It's their support line. Tech support reports bugs, the manual is filled with "bugs".

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by [jur] » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:15 pm

And here's the .pdf !
You're not dreaming.
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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by Machinesworking » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:28 pm

[jur] wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:15 pm
And here's the .pdf !
You're not dreaming.
Fantastic! :)

OK it's driving me nuts that the Live keyboard Shortcuts are still wrong. The very first shortcut for toggling full screen states that F11 is for Windows only, it's always worked for Mac too. I've written in twice that the shortcuts have numerous omissions and mistakes in them.

I really hope this new pdf concession also includes eventually treating the online-convertable-to-pdf manual as a live organism and we get instant updates when new features are added.

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by excalibur2811 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:17 pm

I am totally new to music let alone ableton 12, so you can imagine how I am feeling at this news.
What a dumb way to encourage take up - are we only pandering for Gen Z now or what?
I have actually been seeking a decent printed book, but it seems like only earlier versions are covered.
If anyone knows of a decent "covers EVERYTHING" book please do let me know!

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by [jur] » Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:06 am

excalibur2811 wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:17 pm
If anyone knows of a decent "covers EVERYTHING" book please do let me know!
You just asked this question inside this "book" :wink:
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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by Calagan » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:47 am

[jur] wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:15 pm
And here's the .pdf !
You're not dreaming.
Amazing !!!
Thanks for the info

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by 102455 » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:30 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:36 am
the manual is filled with "bugs"
The thread is about the lack of a PDF manual for Live 12. My suggestion was to post in public about that, rather than email them.

Anyway, looks like we now have a PDF manual. Yay!

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by login » Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:54 pm

Which manual will be the priority for updates? The online one or the PDF? like which I should expect to contain the latest updates and be corrected more frequently?

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by Machinesworking » Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:04 pm

login wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:54 pm
Which manual will be the priority for updates? The online one or the PDF? like which I should expect to contain the latest updates and be corrected more frequently?
The whole advantage of an online manual is to be able to update it regularly. That's not happening right now, but the idea is that the online one would be current. It's also possible to have it set up to where the adjustments made to the online manual are made to the PDF at the same time, but we won't know if that is how it works here until we see for ourselves if they do indeed work it like that.

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by forestcaver » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:20 am

[jur] wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:15 pm
And here's the .pdf !
You're not dreaming.
Excellent - thanks for posting the link - may change my mind and get a Push 3 now !

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by H20nly » Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:26 pm

*Accurate manual

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by otalgia99 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:57 pm

[jur] wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:15 pm
And here's the .pdf !
You're not dreaming.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is enormously appreciated.

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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by Lumix » Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:28 pm

thats crazy!

hope it will be included in the installer aswell :)

Thanks Jur! And thanks also to Ableton finally giving us an offline manual, which is printable and searchable. <3
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Re: Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

Post by simplemusic » Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:57 am

Has something changed recently. I just went in under Help - Read the Live Manual and there's a PDF option there to download???

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