Downgrade to Ableton 12.1.5

[otalgia99]

But first, before downgrading ensure that you have Live's auto-update feature set to "Ask" or "Never," or you'll be right back into 12.1.10

o99

Correction:

In downgrading, I've discovered that in order to avoid being returned to 12.1.10, the following sequence of actions was more successful:

- install and launch 12.1.5
- THEN select auto-update to "ask" / "Never"
- then restart Live.

If you're running 12.1.10 and change the auto-update there, your selection at that level might not be retained when you launch the downgrade, and you'll get bounced back up.

Live seems more stable after the downgrade, but I only had a very short time to work after finally getting myself set up on 12.1.5.
I'll have more on stability after I work with it a bit more.

o99

[[jur]]

After three more crashes this morning I have "downgraded" for now.

Will report on stability presently, but for now -- thanks again to you all for your collective wisdom!

o99

Any M4L device as part of your (template) set?
You could try using the latest Max version as your M4L editor instead and see if that helps (in case you give L12.1.10 another try at some point).

[otalgia99]

Any M4L device as part of your (template) set?
You could try using the latest Max version as your M4L editor instead and see if that helps (in case you give L12.1.10 another try at some point).

Yes -- LFO (which I use a LOT), Buffer Shuffler 2, maybe one or two more.

I'll upgrade M4L as you suggest and try a return to 12.1.10.

Thanks for the tip!

o99

[otalgia99]

Any M4L device as part of your (template) set?
You could try using the latest Max version as your M4L editor instead and see if that helps (in case you give L12.1.10 another try at some point).

Having DL'd Max 9 I realize that I don't own Max, so I can't designate Max 9 as my editor.

I've been relying upon M4L all this time, and it still opens in version 8 (even though I have downloaded and installed 9). I now remember that Max & M4L are separate entities and it's my understanding that M4L isn't discreetly upgrade-able as it is bundled in with Live. The version of 9 I have just installed will likely run in demo mode for a month and then expire.

So I'm not sure I can actually act upon your suggestion, although I thank you for it all the same!

o99

[[jur]]

I've been relying upon M4L all this time, and it still opens in version 8 (even though I have downloaded and installed 9).

Unless you manually set it to use a Max 8 build in the Preferences at some point in the past, Live by default runs its builtin Max build (which, for L12, is Max 9).
So before trying with an external Max 9, you can actually just go back to Live's Preferences > File & Folder and enable the builtin version in the Max Application section.

And you don't need a standalone Max licence to run it as your M4L editor, so you can still use an external Max 9 without issue, if needed.

[Rivanni]

Live by default runs its builtin Max build (which, for L12, is Max 9).

While Max 9 is out for a while, Live 12.1.10 still uses Max 8.6.5 as a built-in version.
You can of course try 9 as an external version.

[otalgia99]

Live by default runs its builtin Max build (which, for L12, is Max 9).

While Max 9 is out for a while, Live 12.1.10 still uses Max 8.6.5 as a built-in version.
You can of course try 9 as an external version.

Thank you -- I'm sure I'm confused even more now, however!

I didn't think that I could designate Max 9 as my external version, because I don't have a license for it. As I understand things, Max 9 isn't the same as M4L.

So I'm concerned that if I select 9 as my external Max editor without having the full license, the version of 9 that I have, and would then be using within Live, will expire in (...I think is it?) 30 days.

If however I CAN, as suggested by [jur] use Live > Pref's > File & Folder Max selector to choose 9 instead, and have it stick because it's running from within Live -- then, sure! I'll try that!

Thank you all for your patience in this. At this point, at least 12.1.5. is behaving in a more stable manner for me, with no crashes so far today. I have another show coming up in a couple of weeks, so I'm more focused on stability over latest version than usual.

But it would be great to get back up to current somehow if I can.

o99

[Rivanni]

To put it simply, M4L is just a stripped-down version of Max (just as there is Live Lite and Live Suite). Max can do a lot more than is needed or possible in Live. So M4L can do less but the things it can do are exactly the same as in Max. Of course, there is a difference when it comes to the version number. Live 12.1.10 ships with Max 8.6.5, but you can use Max 9, which has new features that Live just doesn't use.
You already discovered that Max 9 works fine. When the trial of Max ends, you can use it as a read-only version, meaning you cannot create and save your own devices. At some point, Live will ship with Max 9 built-in.

While this workaround is effective for you, it's essential that the problems you faced are addressed in the upcoming Live version.

[otalgia99]

Thank you so much for generously taking the time to explain this.

I didn't try connecting to Max 9 yet (I only downloaded and installed it -- I didn't run it because of the concerns stated).

Perhaps I will try connecting Live to it, but at the moment pre-performance preparation (and attendant stability) are my primary focus.

Thanks so much again!

o99

[Calagan]

I just received an answer from the Ableton support regarding the crash issues I had (like most posters here).
They tell me to go to my user account and install the 12.1.15 version.
But there's no 12.1.15 version available.
Am I the only one ? Do you have any info about a new Live version ?

[Rivanni]

There is no version 12.1.15, including in beta. Ableton typically releases Live on Tuesdays, so it may be available tomorrow. If it's not released, contact support again and ask when it will be released.

[thx538]

I reverted to 12.1.5 as well.
Many crashes with 12.1.10, often when connecting/disconnecting devices; and also a bug :
The clip view does not update when (simple) clicking on a clip slot. Only a right click updates the view with the actual clip content.

[Somaticae]

Hi Everyone ! First time posting in this forum for me as well as sharing my experience regarding this subject.
I love Ableton 12 new features, it's one of the reason I got back to live on computer. But since the last update (12.1.10) and a recent Windows update, everything went extremely sluggish and weird using Ableton on my Windows 10 Intel 5 laptop. Even when I reverted to 12.1.5.
So, since I wanted to do it since a long time, I got a Mac mini m4 pro and installed all my vsts.
Unfortunately, there are still some weird crashes, especially using Native Instruments stuff or Pigments and I think also when using push3 as a soundcard.
I just reverted to 12.1.5 and will try all my live sets to see if it's get better.

[Calagan]

I reverted to 12.1.5
Everything is perfectly fine again... Just don't update and wait for a proper functionnal update !
This 12.1.10 doesn't bring nothing but issues...

[Somaticae]

Fewer crashes for me here, but some continues, maybe because of sets previously save in the 12.1.10.
Another bad news I discovered, is the fact that the puh3 soundcard makes some weird small hi noises artifact sometimes, I recorded it just to be sure I'm not losing my mind, lol.