Stiffy (I can't believe I just typed that) -
Thanks for chiming in. It's good to get several perspectives on how people use Live. As for me becoming a power user, it will be a few months.
I'm in the 'generate tons of material and throw out the crap' stage of my production cycle. I am aiming to make dance music - meaning fairly straightahead techno-type beats. The trick is to generate unique timbres and rhythmic quirks, as well as having builds and dropouts. It's challenging to work with an end-product in mind while maintaining an original sound. I need to be able to drop my set in a club and have people want to get up and groove to it, and not necessarily electronic music afficionados.
Stuff which inspires this project:
Photek - Solaris
Richie Hawtin - Closer to the Edit
Steve Stoll - The Blunted Boy Wonder
Hardfloor - X-Mix
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Live Set Preparation
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Guest
so.. say each 'song' in a set contains a few main scenes, and some extra clips for improvised bits. your set has say, 10 'songs' arranged this way (each song's clips respond to triggers from a different midi channel). Your controlling live through a keyboard.
What i was wondering:- without the ability to prelisten to yr clips, how do you remember which is clip mapped to what key?, not a problem for one song, but for ten, this sounds tricky. I'm planning a live show in a few months and i'm trying to find the best solution for this..
i suppose the easy solution is to just go to the laptop, find the clip and trigger it with yr mouse... but i'd ideally like to keep away from the PC and do as much as possible through a controller keyboard.
Has anyone triggering clips from a keyboard figured out a good way of remembering where their clips are without going back to the laptop?
What i was wondering:- without the ability to prelisten to yr clips, how do you remember which is clip mapped to what key?, not a problem for one song, but for ten, this sounds tricky. I'm planning a live show in a few months and i'm trying to find the best solution for this..
i suppose the easy solution is to just go to the laptop, find the clip and trigger it with yr mouse... but i'd ideally like to keep away from the PC and do as much as possible through a controller keyboard.
Has anyone triggering clips from a keyboard figured out a good way of remembering where their clips are without going back to the laptop?
You've got the basic setup right. I think the best way to remember which clip is what is to really know your material. Ryan Supak has posted a lot of good advice for doing a DJ style set.
My plans for Live were delayed while I recorded an album for a singer-songwriter, so I never got to set up what I was talking about. My current Live set is a bunch of clips varying from 4-16 bars in length, with a bunch of one-shot samples thrown in.
I have 'relative mapping' set up, which lets me trigger clips within scenes from the keyboard: I have QWER... mapped to turn on tracks 1-8. Pressing the key again stops the clip, since the clips are set up in Toggle mode.
I'm performing tonight, so I'll put my set up for review and comment. I'll probably put in on em111.com, too.
/Scott
My plans for Live were delayed while I recorded an album for a singer-songwriter, so I never got to set up what I was talking about. My current Live set is a bunch of clips varying from 4-16 bars in length, with a bunch of one-shot samples thrown in.
I have 'relative mapping' set up, which lets me trigger clips within scenes from the keyboard: I have QWER... mapped to turn on tracks 1-8. Pressing the key again stops the clip, since the clips are set up in Toggle mode.
I'm performing tonight, so I'll put my set up for review and comment. I'll probably put in on em111.com, too.
/Scott
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cbit
Hey Mbazzy,
I just listened to your track "ElektroDuborama2themaxMix". Great name, great track.
Which tracks were produced with what software? Did you jam live with Live and render it out without editing, or did you do some post on it?
You should definitely try to make it out to the Mutek Festival in Montreal. It's very forward in it's musical programming.
The last night had Robin Judge, Monolake, MamboTour, and Narod Nki.
NarodNiki was something like 8 guys jamming together with Live.
You can check out the sets at Mutek.ca.
I just listened to your track "ElektroDuborama2themaxMix". Great name, great track.
Which tracks were produced with what software? Did you jam live with Live and render it out without editing, or did you do some post on it?
You should definitely try to make it out to the Mutek Festival in Montreal. It's very forward in it's musical programming.
The last night had Robin Judge, Monolake, MamboTour, and Narod Nki.
NarodNiki was something like 8 guys jamming together with Live.
You can check out the sets at Mutek.ca.
Siddhu, thanx for the props ... really appreciate it ...
To answer your question, I only use Live as my main tool for pre-production [sampling, resampling, loop-creation from one-shots, ... ] & production .For post-production I use a combination of SoundForge 5.0 & Izotope Ozone.
All trax on the Iuma site are relatively rough trax that have been "one-shot-takes-where-I-have-taken-the-best-version-of-different-takes " with a little/minimal post-production polishing. But I've started to like this uncomprimised approach as the imperfections add to the organix & dynamix of the track.
Only the BuLL300 track is fully edited & mastered as it's intended for an A/V project [ more info on the http://www.mbazzy.tk website ] in Belgium where it will have to go through a large PA-system.
Mutek is a very fine festival indeed, would be delighte to play there ... if you can pull any strings , ...please be my guest ...
To answer your question, I only use Live as my main tool for pre-production [sampling, resampling, loop-creation from one-shots, ... ] & production .For post-production I use a combination of SoundForge 5.0 & Izotope Ozone.
All trax on the Iuma site are relatively rough trax that have been "one-shot-takes-where-I-have-taken-the-best-version-of-different-takes " with a little/minimal post-production polishing. But I've started to like this uncomprimised approach as the imperfections add to the organix & dynamix of the track.
Only the BuLL300 track is fully edited & mastered as it's intended for an A/V project [ more info on the http://www.mbazzy.tk website ] in Belgium where it will have to go through a large PA-system.
Mutek is a very fine festival indeed, would be delighte to play there ... if you can pull any strings , ...please be my guest ...
http://www.mbazzy.tk -
Mbazzy's "The dysfunctional playground, a scrapbook a bout the shape of useless things" now OUT on Retinascan - http://www.retinascan.de
Mbazzy's "The dysfunctional playground, a scrapbook a bout the shape of useless things" now OUT on Retinascan - http://www.retinascan.de
Wow this thread is of high value, revealing the true nature of Live.
Myself, I tend to have a few 4-8 bar loops running on a scene plus a few one-shots to be trigged.
A problem for me is that clips on a track becomes monophonic. So I have to use a lot of tracks. And I have to scroll a lot...
I have a Evolution 361c. Its good to have a larger keyboard when playing piano like sounds, but its not to great when traveling. Would like to have a minimal keybard or pad control plus some knobs and on/off's and sliders.
Have not performed live yet though.
C
Myself, I tend to have a few 4-8 bar loops running on a scene plus a few one-shots to be trigged.
A problem for me is that clips on a track becomes monophonic. So I have to use a lot of tracks. And I have to scroll a lot...
I have a Evolution 361c. Its good to have a larger keyboard when playing piano like sounds, but its not to great when traveling. Would like to have a minimal keybard or pad control plus some knobs and on/off's and sliders.
Have not performed live yet though.
C