Ableton abandoning the G5 ?

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:41 pm

when us mac guys get intelbooks it'll be a non issue??????

dude the computers we are using are very capable but ableton seems to not care that their program runs sluggish at best. so the fix is to buy a new computer? fu** that we have good equipment and we bought "good" software that should work top notch all the time. I don't know about you but I don't have 2 grand laying around to buy a new laptop just so i can get ableton to run faster when it should already be working like a horse. I've only had this g4 for like 6months now I'm not buying a new computer for several years at least.

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:08 am

psi wrote:"no doubt ??????? "

thats what this is all about.. why should we have to rely on conjecture and guesswork and ill informed assumptions ?

Ableton should produce a mission statement to all their users and state categorically what they will and will not be doing now and in the future ( with respect to support of platforms operating systems and processors ).
We are investing in Ableton and we deserve to know whether our setups will be supported ( or not ).

I agree on all remarks you say.Are we to think live is just so much better than other softwares we must put up with heavy drainage on our systems more than any others. I dont think so. Or are we to reason that ableton programming is not up to the standard of logic sonars sx pro tools saw and others which all use less cpu. I dont quite think so. I think it is due only to no optimisation which the programmers must know how to do or they wouldnt program the softwares anyway. So meaning ableton have made the decision not to optimise because of the politics. I hope that is the situation because if the dont know how to optimise then we all are doomed to a software with heavy cpu drainage. Our only hope for the cause will be to wait for much more powerful cpus and run the current versions.

Politics i think is the bigg reason. That is temporary due to market forces eventually forcing optimisation even if createng bad feeling. The truth is softwares work much better when programming for one certain os. To do both needs specialist in both. not 100%

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:22 am

noisetonepause wrote:Robert Henke has a G5 himself, as far as I recall. Your setup is supported, and some people are (successfully) making music with it. Don't see what the problem is. I've only recently upgraded from a G3 iBook to a G4 iBook and well, I can get stuff done. Sergeant Pepper, 4-track, yadayada.

All you say is weird. If i make music with 2 blips i can use a 386 running 8mb ram. So you can "get stuff" done. I know your not running 30 audio tracks 6 virtual synth and tons of eq and compresor 3 space revrb with latency on which i can do easi in logic on a dual g5.
Some people here do need the software MUCH MUCH SOOOO MUCH better optimised we really need it because our music demands more than the Live gives. The beatles argument means nothing. Music and engineering technique is much different in a pc box than at abbey road. large multi track mixing wasnt invented + mixing on a pc or mac wasnt in the dream state even. You can restrain your creativity all you wish i wont.
And those comments like yours which are many dont help anyone. Live doesnt do anything another software wont. Dont give me granular timestretching demands heavy cpu. even with no warp on live has heavy cpu problem there is little difference with on or off. It is easy to see optimisation is not there. Plug in a ableton reverb and then plug in the apple one as you note cpu

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:35 am

radeon wrote:All you say is weird.

Yes it is.

Live doesnt do anything another software wont.

Yes it does.

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:37 am

noisetonepause wrote:
Yes it does.

no it doesnt

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:03 am

radeon wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
Yes it does.

no it doesnt

does too

supster · Post by **supster** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:27 am

noisetonepause wrote:
radeon wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
Yes it does.

no it doesnt
does too

no .. i doesnt

wait what were we talking about again?
.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:56 am

radeon wrote: Live doesnt do anything another software wont.

if that is indeed the case,
then why are you using it?

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:57 am

noisetonepause wrote:
radeon wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
Yes it does.

no it doesnt
does too

Dont think so

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:59 am

AdamJay wrote:
radeon wrote: Live doesnt do anything another software wont.
if that is indeed the case,
then why are you using it?

thats a silly question

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:47 am

radeon wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
radeon wrote:
no it doesnt
does too
Dont think so

that's just your opinion!

... but it does. like. it's got a built in metronome. and things.

psi · Post by **psi** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:05 pm

I would like to use this analogy...if I was going to vote for a political party , I wouldn't just vote without knowing what their manifesto was and what their future direction was going to be . We have "voted" for Ableton but we don't know what their manifesto is or what their plans are..surely we have a right to know ?
Why does everything have to be so secretive ? Is it because they are running scared in case they lose some of their customer base ? I switched to Ableton Live from cubase because I like the way live operates but if emagic cakewak and steinberg are optimising their product for the latest processors and operating platforms - where are Ableton in all of this ?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:18 pm

I've seen many mac threads deteriorate in many various ways....

But this one is cracking me up...

"Live doesnt do anything another software wont"

psi · Post by **psi** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:24 pm

whatever : this is an important issue shame its not long before the cream pies start being slapped into other's faces..

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:08 am

noisetonepause wrote:
radeon wrote:
noisetonepause wrote: does too
Dont think so
that's just your opinion!

... but it does. like. it's got a built in metronome. and things.

no its not!