More evidence that the MacBook Pro kicks ass...

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:36 am

kenn michael wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:Quick question kenn michael, can you use the macbook and G5 as nodes for each other in Logic? Really curious about that?
yes.

as long as Logic 7.2 and 7.2 node software is installed you can run PPC and Intel Macs as nodes/masters interchangeably.

Nice! I'm probably going to hold out on the first generation macbooks, considering the dual coming my way in a couple weeks here, so that should be really nicely ridiculous in terms of plug in count!

kenn michael · Post by **kenn michael** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:45 am

AdamJay wrote:Kenn,

about how much latency does running a node over gigabit add to the whole logic project?

Don't know exactly... It doesn't process busses, auxes or outputs, just audio tracks and instrument tracks.... which are delay compensated, so even if you're playing live instruments or have live inputs while it's processing node tracks, you never experience any extra latency.

bland_handl · Post by **bland_handl** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:21 am

Thanks for all this guys, it's really helping iron out my purchase choice!

One question for anyone using both mini & macbook (especially with Logic as well):

I'm tossing up between macbook now, or mini now & macbook later -

my main concern about the macbook is that it only has 2 usb ports, while the mini has 4.

I'm currently on a G4 pbook, and am having to use a midisport to accomodate all my (usb-capable) controllers, (as dedicated usb-hubs were problematic).

Add the Logic dongle into the equation & there's no room for anything else - just midisport & dongle. For example, to use my MS-20 usb-only controller I have to un-plug all other controllers when using Logic.

So I guess the question I'm asking is if, when operating a macbook with mini as node, can the mini act as the usb-hub as well as node - and could the controllers work that way for Live too ?

Also if you know of any other pros/cons to the mini-plus-macbook set-up that'd be a big help as well.

Thanks

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:10 am

IMHO, you need an external qwerty keyboard (and for me, a trackball) to work effectively on a laptop anyway. My apple qwerty has 2 USB ports built in, so it's never an issue.

DJSK · Post by **DJSK** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:37 am

I am pretty sure you could get an express card with extra usb 2.0 ports to accomodate the macbook.

bland_handl · Post by **bland_handl** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:03 am

Yeah, thanks Black, I see your point - except it's not really a goer for me.

With Live I just use the laptop kbd and trackpad, because mostly everything else, apart from tuning an arrangement can be done with controllers...

Only thing is, when working with Logic (because it relies so heavily on keyboard & mouse) when I plug the kbd in, my 2 usb ports are taken by dongle & mouse.

The ergonomics when working long hours mean it's best to raise the laptop to regular monitor height, making the trackpad impractical.

Maybe I'm being picky, but I was really disappointed when I saw the macbook has only 2 usb ports (particularly because Apple make Logic).

I'm not having a whinge, it's just that I have 7 midi controllers - some which are usb-only, and some with no midi-thru, and others that need usb for their librarians to work.

So if buying a duo mini first, and then a macbook could solve my routing issues (on the one hand), & (on the other hand) give me the "excuse I need" to delay buying a macbook (until the merom thing hits and the whine and stepping issues are resolved), and also give me the "excuse I'd like" to have for indulging my fantasies of one day having both, then I'd be glad to hear it !

Then again I'd be glad to hear if I could node from my G4 pbook to the mini AND that Live are getting noded-up as well.

FORMAT · Post by **FORMAT** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:03 am

I've been told that even the new Rev D Macbooks have the whine occationally btw......

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:52 pm

Machinesworking wrote:Nice! I'm probably going to hold out on the first generation macbooks, considering the dual coming my way in a couple weeks here, so that should be really nicely ridiculous in terms of plug in count!

shipping machines are at revision D now. so that technically makes them
4th generation

Digi V · Post by **Digi V** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:54 pm

FORMAT wrote:I've been told that even the new Rev D Macbooks have the whine occationally btw......

yes, i have a new one. built on the 1st of this month. it does have the CPU WHINE. it should not have the lcd whine and it should not get unreasonably hot.

i've spoken up and down with techs at the apple store near my house.

most of them are saying it should be fixed with a software update.

hopefully soon

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:56 pm

Digi V wrote:
FORMAT wrote:I've been told that even the new Rev D Macbooks have the whine occationally btw......

yes, i have a new one. built on the 1st of this month. it does have the CPU WHINE. it should not have the lcd whine and it should not get unreasonably hot.

i've spoken up and down with techs at the apple store near my house.

most of them are saying it should be fixed with a software update.

hopefully soon

mine will be here on wednesday
hopefully it will been fine!

!!

Digi V · Post by **Digi V** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:59 pm

gomi wrote:
Digi V wrote:
FORMAT wrote:I've been told that even the new Rev D Macbooks have the whine occationally btw......

yes, i have a new one. built on the 1st of this month. it does have the CPU WHINE. it should not have the lcd whine and it should not get unreasonably hot.

i've spoken up and down with techs at the apple store near my house.

most of them are saying it should be fixed with a software update.

hopefully soon
mine will be here on wednesday
hopefully it will been fine!

!!

i almost 100 percent gurantee you will have the cpu whine. i dont think its a hardware malfunction. it has to be the speedstepping functionality causing it.

but what i'd like to know is if anyone else is having the whine while running windows on their machines? i dont think anyone has answered that question.

cuz if the answer is "no" then we def know it has something to do with OSX and how it is using Intel and its power consumption options.

however gomi which one did u get? you're gonna love this thing! you'll feel an instant bond with it within 2 min lmao.

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:53 pm

Digi V wrote: however gomi which one did u get? you're gonna love this thing! you'll feel an instant bond with it within 2 min lmao.

2.0 + 7200rpm 100GB.. i will upgrade to 2GB of ram when i am not poor anymore.
heheheh

i wonder if my fw 410 will run better on it ( i know it will kick arse when booted
to windows, their windows drivers are fine )

can't wait to see what kind of card slot audio stuff starts coming out.
i have carrying around a box just to have more then 1 stereo out.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:49 am

gomi wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:Nice! I'm probably going to hold out on the first generation macbooks, considering the dual coming my way in a couple weeks here, so that should be really nicely ridiculous in terms of plug in count!
shipping machines are at revision D now. so that technically makes them
4th generation

Revision and generation are different beasts, not really much of a difference in the technology of the 4 revisions of macbook.
I'm talking mid summer to as late as October when the 64 bit merom chips are shipping. Basically a macbook with a 1Ghz plus system bus, dual core, and possibly 2.5Ghz!

Meanwhile I'll be using the 1.5 with pure audio tracks, or everything frozen and ported from the dual for live use!

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:51 am

gomi wrote: 2.0 + 7200rpm 100GB.. i will upgrade to 2GB of ram when i am not poor anymore.
heheheh

thats what i got... and the 2GB fo RAM is the icing on the cake.
i use menu meter's to show used RAM during projects, so i can gauge how many tracks i can load into RAM.
and i havent yet cracked 1.5GB

its alot of machine man, i love it.

i gotta figure something to do with this iMac G5 here in about a month though....

Digi V · Post by **Digi V** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:02 am

how much you want for the Imac?

looking to set up a computer by the kitchen just for internet use.