Ableton takes 130 - 2 mins to start up ?

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:19 pm

I,m running OSX10.3.2 . G4 Dp 1ghz

freind2 · Post by **freind2** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:07 pm

yeah, on my mac 500mhz it takes upto 2 minutes, but on my PC 2400 mhz (with the same effect in the VST folder) takes 4 seconds

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:13 pm

freind2 wrote:yeah, on my mac 500mhz it takes upto 2 minutes, but on my PC 2400 mhz (with the same effect in the VST folder) takes 4 seconds

It never use to take any real time to start up before. It seems to have got slower as i loaded up my vst plugins and instruments in Libary/audio/vstplugins. Mmmmmm

~This is happening when i open a blank song witn no loaded audio or fx.

No big problem but time wasting in certain situations

Post by **Alex** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:15 am

Hi jamief,

do you have this long startup time with every Live 3 version or just since Live 3.0.1/3.0.2?
Could you send me the log file of Live ("../Preferences/Ableton/Live 3.0.2/Log.txt")?
Each line has a time stamp in ms since startup so mabye we can see which part needs this much time.

regards,
Alex

FORMAT · Post by **FORMAT** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:58 am

My machine, a 867 Powerbook with 768 RAM and OS X.3.2 also takes very very long. Don't know if this is a helpful piece of information, but it all goes very fast in OS 9. (couple of seconds)

Cheers,
Roland

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:30 pm

Alex wrote:Hi jamief,

do you have this long startup time with every Live 3 version or just since Live 3.0.1/3.0.2?
Could you send me the log file of Live ("../Preferences/Ableton/Live 3.0.2/Log.txt")?
Each line has a time stamp in ms since startup so mabye we can see which part needs this much time.

regards,
Alex

Hi Alex,
will do. I think it was perhaps since 3.01 - its hard fro me to remember exactly when it started but i do know it was much faster on startup than it is now buy a large margin. Ill send you that log

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:34 pm

Alex my log file is 6.5mb so i cannot send it all to you ( my limit is 2mb).
Instead i have posted varuious excerpts for you.I think its possible to determine the slow coaches from this info. I also sent you mail with screen grabs of my Vst plugins folders

best

Jamie ~F

1.

3866 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Stylus™ MIDI Files:Stylus Breakbeat MIDI Files: 90-91 BPM: 91-Happy X e.mid looks not like a vst plugin
3868 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Stylus™ MIDI Files:Stylus Breakbeat MIDI Files: 90-91 BPM: 91-Happy X f.mid looks not like a vst plugin
3869 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Stylus™ MIDI Files:Stylus Breakbeat MIDI Files: 90-91 BPM: 91-Happy X tamb.mid looks not like a vst plugin
3870 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Stylus™ MIDI Files:Stylus Breakbeat MIDI Files: 90-91 BPM: 91-Tough break.mid looks not like a vst plugin
3871 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Stylus™ MIDI Files:Stylus Breakbeat MIDI Files: 90-91 BPM: 91-Urbadub a.mid looks not like a vst plugin
3872 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Stylus™ MIDI Files:Stylus Breakbeat MIDI Files: 90-91 BPM: 91-Urbadub b.mid looks not like a vst plugin
3873 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Stylus™ MIDI Files:Stylus Breakbeat MIDI Files: 90-91 BPM: 91-Urbadub c.mid looks not like a

2.

Arpeggio:St19_A6_Ammaj7_08.wav looks not like a vst plugin
11784 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist:A6:Arpeggio:St19_A6_Ammaj7_11.wav looks not like a vst plugin
11785 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist:A6:Arpeggio:St19_A6_Ammaj7_12.wav looks not like a vst plugin
11787 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist:A6:Arpeggio:St19_A6_Ammaj7_13.wav looks not like a vst plugin
11788 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist:A6:Arpeggio:St19_A6_Ammaj7_14.wav looks not like a vst plugin
11790 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist:A6:Arpeggio:St19_A6_Ammaj7_15.wav looks not like a vst plugin

3.

DRCH:Dream Chords:PL26_TCAC_BmMAJ7_22.WAV looks not like a vst plugin
42050 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:DRCH:Dream Chords:PL26_TCAC_BmMAJ7_FAST.WAV looks not like a vst plugin
42051 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:DRCH:Dream Chords:PL26_TCAC_BSUS2_03.WAV looks not like a vst plugin
42052 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:DRCH:Dream Chords:PL26_TCAC_BSUS2_04.WAV looks not like a vst plugin
42053 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:DRCH:Dream Chords:PL26_TCAC_BSUS2_05.WAV looks not like a vst plugin
42054 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:DRCH:Dream Chords:PL26_TCAC_BSUS2_06.WAV looks not like a vst plugin
42055 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:

4.

TCAC:Pop - Brit 2:PL26_TCAC_G6_04.wav looks not like a vst plugin
65429 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:TCAC:Pop - Brit 2:PL26_TCAC_G6_05.wav looks not like a vst plugin
65430 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:TCAC:Pop - Brit 2:PL26_TCAC_G6_06.wav looks not like a vst plugin
65431 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:TCAC:Pop - Brit 2:PL26_TCAC_G6_07.wav looks not like a vst plugin
65432 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:TCAC:Pop - Brit 2:PL26_TCAC_G6_08.wav looks not like a vst plugin

5.

68301 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:WAWA:Wah - Single Note:PL21_S5WT_Gb_71.wav looks not like a vst plugin
68302 ms. VstManager: OSX:Library:Audio:Plug-Ins:VST:Virtual Guitarist EE:WAWA:Wah - Single Note:PL21_S5WT_Gb_72.wav looks not like a vst plugin
68328 ms. PluginManager: Scan end --------------------
68368 ms. ALivePreferences: End AfterPreferencesLoaded
68369 ms. ALivePreferences: Begin OnPreferencesChanged
69513 ms. ALivePreferences: End OnPreferencesChanged
69514 ms. Default App: End LoadPrefs
142467 ms. Default App: Begin OnNew
142469 ms. Default App: DefaultDocument: Try to Load default document
142472 ms. VuMeter: Use default. MeterUpdateRate = 40
142613 ms. Default App: Begin ExchangeDocument
142785 ms. LSongAgent: Begin SetSongUnit
142786 ms. ALAudioInOut:
142787 ms. ALAudioInOut: Start started -------------------------
142787 ms. ALAudioInOut:
142788 ms. ALAudioInOut: Internal Start started ----------------
142797 ms. ALAudioInOut: Begin of UpdateAudioStateStatic
142864 ms. ALAudioInOut: ----- Audio state -----
142865 ms. ALAudioInOut: In: 1 Out: 2
142866 ms. ALAudioInOut: Master: 0 PreListen: -1
142866 ms. ALAudioInOut: Sample Rate 44100.000000
142867 ms. ALAudioInOut: ----- Audio state -----
142867 ms. ALAudioInOut: End of UpdateAudioStateStatic
143050 ms. ALAudioInOut: Internal Start finished ---------------
143051 ms. ALAudioInOut:
143052 ms. ALAudioInOut: Start finished ------------------------
143053 ms. ALAudioInOut:
143062 ms. LSongAgent: End SetSongUnit
143157 ms. Default App: End ExchangeDocument
143160 ms. Default App: End InitApplication
143161 ms. Live App: End Init
158087 ms. Default App: Begin OnQuit
158087 ms. Default App: Begin SavePrefs
158113 ms. Default App: End SavePrefs
158147 ms. Default App: Begin ExchangeDocument
158189 ms. LSongAgent: End SetSongUnit
158244 ms. LSongAgent: Begin SetSongUnit
158253 ms. LSongAgent: End SetSongUnit
158405 ms. Default App: End ExchangeDocument
158570 ms. LSongAgent: Begin Destructing
158571 ms. LSongAgent: Begin SetSongUnit
158582 ms. LSongAgent: End SetSongUnit
158596 ms. ALAudioInOut:
158597 ms. ALAudioInOut: Stop started --------------------------
158602 ms. ALAudioInOut: Begin of UpdateAudioStateStatic
158604 ms. ALAudioInOut: ----- Audio state -----
158604 ms. ALAudioInOut: In: 0 Out: 0
158605 ms. ALAudioInOut: Master: 0 PreListen: -1
158605 ms. ALAudioInOut: Sample Rate 44100.000000
158606 ms. ALAudioInOut: ----- Audio state -----
158606 ms. ALAudioInOut: End of UpdateAudioStateStatic
158607 ms. ALAudioInOut: Stop finished -------------------------
158607 ms. ALAudioInOut:
158607 ms. LSongAgent: End Destructing
158618 ms. AMidiIO: Start CloseAllDevices
158625 ms. AMidiIO: End CloseAllDevices
158625 ms. ALAudioInOut:
158626 ms. ALAudioInOut: Destructor started --------------------
158627 ms. ALAudioInOut: Destructor finished -------------------
158627 ms. ALAudioInOut:
158660 ms. Default App: End OnQuit

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:52 pm

my g4 550mhz titanium takes less than 20 seconds to start up 3.01, 10.3.2. you guys are definately having some kind of problem

Post by **Alex** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:57 pm

Hi folks,

Probably it's a problem with the Live's preferences file. So all of you having these long startup problem in Live 3.0.1/3.0.2, please do the following:

1) Rename the Live preferences file (".../Preferences/Ableton/Live 3.0.2/Live.cfg") into something like "Live_old.cfg".

2) start Live

3) If Live will start at "normal" speed this time, you have to make your desired preferences settings in Live again and can delete "Live_old.cfg"

regards,
Alex

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:55 pm

No big difference - if any after trying that Alex. Thanks though.
Seems live is scanning the dat. files of trilogy Atmosphere, stylus and my 2 virtual guitarist plugins before deceiding to move on and load up.

best

potts3 · Post by **potts3** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:55 pm

Hi All...first post Live user for a few months.

On my G5 dual 2g with 2g of RAM Live can take up to 2-3 minutes to start up. I assumed it was in relation to the amount of audio files in my library. I wonder if those with large volumes of files....over 20G...have longer startups??

steve

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:17 pm

i used to have this problem with v2 and it was easily fixed by trashing the live .plist file. don't know if this works for newer versions, but hope it helps...

php · Post by **php** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:22 pm

Live 3.01 takes 35 seconds to start on my dual 500Mhz G4 running OS 10.3.2, 1 gig of RAM. This is about twice as long as version 2 took.

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:38 pm

It seems to have something to do with scanning the vst plugins. Instruments like Virtual guitarist and Spectrasonics Stylus have a 1-3 gig dat file and live seems to be scanning all of these files before deceiding to continue. thats wherer i think the extra time is being consumed.

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:41 pm

potts3 wrote:Hi All...first post Live user for a few months.

On my G5 dual 2g with 2g of RAM Live can take up to 2-3 minutes to start up. I assumed it was in relation to the amount of audio files in my library. I wonder if those with large volumes of files....over 20G...have longer startups??

I have 420 gigs atr the moment and it started up fast before i installed my VSti's
steve