Forums Moderation?

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:08 pm

nihad wrote:
i see awful lot of situations where a dozens of potentially intresting threads drowns in floods of useless mac vs pc arguements ..

Personally I don't discriminate against one thread for another

Most music related issues get dealth with rather quickly - LIVE IS A EASY PROGRAM TO USE - draga beat in and go

we have a

BUG
LINK YOUR MUSIC
TIPS AND TRICKS

You have lots of room to post issues, tips and your music - you also have a general section to discuss what ever

but if I can help someone with a problem and post something funny about something completely unrelated to LIVE then that's cool

besides - you don't want me as moderator because i'd lock all threads that didn't have a reference to me and how cool I am <-- seriously, I would

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:14 pm

One last thing

I htink it's cool to read off topic stuff it 's when 2 people start having their own little conversation back and forth

which is why we have PRIVATE MESSAGES

not like to or three posts but pages and pages of 2 people going back and forth - weak

yes

jb61264 · Post by **jb61264** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:14 pm

b0unce wrote:who gives a shit if someone with 5 posts wants an OT forum....they havent even seen how rank it can get

and once you give them an OT forum, they want a POLITICS forum...and then a SEX CHANGE forum....

What difference does it make if someone has 5 posts or 5000 posts...is there some sort of forum hierarchy/owenership based on the number of posts that you have made?

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:38 pm

jb61264 wrote:
b0unce wrote:who gives a shit if someone with 5 posts wants an OT forum....they havent even seen how rank it can get

and once you give them an OT forum, they want a POLITICS forum...and then a SEX CHANGE forum....
What difference does it make if someone has 5 posts or 5000 posts...is there some sort of forum hierarchy/owenership based on the number of posts that you have made?

For someone to come into this forum with 5 posts and change it's long established personality is not fair to the high count devoted posters who helped establish it. Especially when 5 post posters call for more forum control. There are a zillion threads to read that will help them. Why are they in here bitching? Of course they have less weight on the totality of the abe's forum. Even with 400 posts I feel I have little to change myself. I read what I need too and stay away from things I don't need. It's easy people.

jb61264 · Post by **jb61264** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:45 pm

knotkranky wrote:
jb61264 wrote:
b0unce wrote:who gives a shit if someone with 5 posts wants an OT forum....they havent even seen how rank it can get

and once you give them an OT forum, they want a POLITICS forum...and then a SEX CHANGE forum....
What difference does it make if someone has 5 posts or 5000 posts...is there some sort of forum hierarchy/owenership based on the number of posts that you have made?
For someone to come into this forum with 5 posts and change it's long established personality is not fair to the high count devoted posters who helped establish it. Especially when 5 post posters call for more forum control. There are a zillion threads to read that will help them. Why are they in here bitching? Of course they have less weight on the totality of the abe's forum. Even with 400 posts I feel I have little to change myself. I read what I need too and stay away from things I don't need. It's easy people.

I wouldn't say I would completely disagree with you...but everyone who has 400 or 4000 posts initially had 5 posts...personally, I don't care one way or the other if they moderate or not...I participate in some OT posts and its interesting to see the different opinions that people have on OT topics...bottom line is we all have something in common using Live to make music.

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:05 pm

jb61264 wrote:
knotkranky wrote:
jb61264 wrote: What difference does it make if someone has 5 posts or 5000 posts...is there some sort of forum hierarchy/owenership based on the number of posts that you have made?
For someone to come into this forum with 5 posts and change it's long established personality is not fair to the high count devoted posters who helped establish it. Especially when 5 post posters call for more forum control. There are a zillion threads to read that will help them. Why are they in here bitching? Of course they have less weight on the totality of the abe's forum. Even with 400 posts I feel I have little to change myself. I read what I need too and stay away from things I don't need. It's easy people.
I wouldn't say I would completely disagree with you...but everyone who has 400 or 4000 posts initially had 5 posts...personally, I don't care one way or the other if they moderate or not...I participate in some OT posts and its interesting to see the different opinions that people have on OT topics...bottom line is we all have something in common using Live to make music.

Agreed. Our commonalities outweigh our differences for sure. Let me also add that some are not realizing what they are asking for. Some haven't considered or can't imagine the sort of social lobotomy that could possibly take place if moderated too much. A little punk rock is good for this forum and live, and abe's knows it. One big pot, for better or worse, serves everyone in a positive way.... "You are what you click"

hyerstay · Post by **hyerstay** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:28 pm

OT and moderation are two different issues. I do think that there should be one forum for non Ableton Live discussions. I also think that there should be more public moderation. This does not mean deleting threads, but simply providing a calming influence and encouraging civilized behavior. If you want anarchy, I suggest Sailing Anarchy!

jason

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:10 pm

hyerstay wrote:OT and moderation are two different issues. I do think that there should be one forum for non Ableton Live discussions. I also think that there should be more public moderation. This does not mean deleting threads, but simply providing a calming influence and encouraging civilized behavior. If you want anarchy, I suggest Sailing Anarchy!

jason

What problems are you facing getting what you need from this forum?

Some want it safe, some want it to stay edgy. Nothing really happens in this forum that is beyond the pale other than rough language, and that can happen in Tips n tricks.

I've seen a couple things get out of hand but this forum police's itself quite well and the offenders play it cool without question. Besides, moderators already give gentle nudges when needed. That said, it's ableton that you want to talk to about more moderation.

Certainly, ableton is proud of the forum for it's ability to run as well as it does without much intervention. Live is figuratively, a punk rock program. This edgy and provocative interaction is way more inspiring in my opinion, and it appears the most experienced in this forum agree. Leave it be. Everything you need is still in here.

cheers

hyerstay · Post by **hyerstay** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:22 pm

An Ableton rep should respond to this thread, but probably won't. (Prove me wrong!) A simple act of leadership like that is what I would like to see, a sign that they care about the forums and are responsive to the membership, in more ways than bug fixing. Just to be clear, I have tons of respect for Ableton and their staff. I just think that they need to realize that the tone of their forums reflects on their company. We need to have a specific person or persons to go to about problems with the forums or other members.

We have found that at osxaudio/bigbluelounge, our members do a better job of self-moderating our forums because our mods and admins will back them up when they help tone down disagreements, chastise trolls, or any type of community-positive actions. Besides deleting spam threads, we rarely have to step in, but I think our membership appreciates that people with the appropriate power are watching over the forums and really care about making the site a great place to visit. This is why we have many comments all the time about how our forum is one of the most helpful, respectful, positive, and well-mannered music sites on the net.

I guess it comes down to leading by example. There are many places where an Ableton person should have stepped in on their own, but didn't. For example, in that last Mac vs. PCs thread, an Ableton rep should have PMed the thread starter about his flashing signature, and said to change it or it would be removed. I think the membership did well in calming things down, but by not dealing with that animated sig, we got pages of epileptic images that are totally agrivating. In fact, in that thread, I was more bothered by the images than the words, and I'm glad the thread started toned it all down by the end and went back to a single image sig.

Jason

frisbeedisk · Post by **frisbeedisk** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:33 pm

If you dont want to view OT , then go and hang out in thr tips and tricks section or somewhere and not the GENERAL section!!

hyerstay · Post by **hyerstay** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:39 pm

What about the non-tips, non-wishlist Ableton Live topics? This is why we need another forum, or a name and description change for the Tips & Tricks forum, so that it gets all Ableton Live discussion that is not feature requests or bug fixes.

jason

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:51 pm

djadonis206 wrote:No moderation - learn to moderate yourself

You have total control over what you read, how you read it and why you read it

Absolutely! If something you read winds you up, simply don't bite. It's pretty easy really. The world is full of rules, and little dictators who want to stamp their ideas over other people who just have a different opinion. Lets not create more fucking rules on a forum that's existed perfectly well in its present state for quite a while now.

Moderate yourself, good advice generally imho.

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:17 pm

hyerstay wrote:An Ableton rep should respond to this thread, but probably won't. (Prove me wrong!) A simple act of leadership like that is what I would like to see, a sign that they care about the forums and are responsive to the membership, in more ways than bug fixing. Just to be clear, I have tons of respect for Ableton and their staff. I just think that they need to realize that the tone of their forums reflects on their company. We need to have a specific person or persons to go to about problems with the forums or other members.

We have found that at osxaudio/bigbluelounge, our members do a better job of self-moderating our forums because our mods and admins will back them up when they help tone down disagreements, chastise trolls, or any type of community-positive actions. Besides deleting spam threads, we rarely have to step in, but I think our membership appreciates that people with the appropriate power are watching over the forums and really care about making the site a great place to visit. This is why we have many comments all the time about how our forum is one of the most helpful, respectful, positive, and well-mannered music sites on the net.

I guess it comes down to leading by example. There are many places where an Ableton person should have stepped in on their own, but didn't. For example, in that last Mac vs. PCs thread, an Ableton rep should have PMed the thread starter about his flashing signature, and said to change it or it would be removed. I think the membership did well in calming things down, but by not dealing with that animated sig, we got pages of epileptic images that are totally agrivating. In fact, in that thread, I was more bothered by the images than the words, and I'm glad the thread started toned it all down by the end and went back to a single image sig.

Jason

But thats precisely it. The current forum personality reflects favorably in every way towards ableton. You are too conservative for this forum but nobody cares, and thats a good thing. The leaders in this forum are the experienced level headed live experts that do ableton community service and/or are tight with abe's. What's the difference if it said ableton on their sig? You wanna call the abe's police, go ahead. If they ask for some cooperation they'll get it. There is no burden of proof on me, I like the way it is. You need to stop mugging yourself.

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46826

All that aside and again, what is it that you're looking for and need from this forum? Maybe we can help.

hyerstay · Post by **hyerstay** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:31 pm

knotkranky wrote:You need to stop mugging yourself.

What does this mean?

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:44 pm

hyerstay wrote:
knotkranky wrote:You need to stop mugging yourself.
What does this mean?

Your walking into places you don't want to be and participating in a threads you don't like. Why not walk down a different street. It's self inflicted. Mac v PC threads get/are stupid, so it was thusly and creatively expressed.

Hell, have your own thread going and a real reason to moderate it. No worries.

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