Operator - Course Setting to Zero (how?)

psilopsyche · Post by **psilopsyche** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:28 am

Hey there.

I'm working the the Operator tutorials in Live and the illustrations and text say to set the course frequency to zero, but mine only goes down to 0.5. What should I do?

Thanks!

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:32 am

click the button next to the course button?

psilopsyche · Post by **psilopsyche** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:36 am

Are you being serious?

When I adjust the course knob, or input 0 manually it brings it down to a setting of 0.5, not 0.0 which the tutorials illustrate.

My question still stands.

Thanks in advance.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:37 am

oops I was mistaken, maybe it's a typo?

psilopsyche · Post by **psilopsyche** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:39 am

whew. You were starting to make me think I was crazy for a second. Perhaps the tutorial is referencing a past Operator setting where zero was the min...

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:49 am

actually I think I remember someone refering to this before a long time ago I vaguely remember it being called a typo. if in fact it was a typo I'm amazed that it's never been fixed.

psilopsyche · Post by **psilopsyche** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:55 am

I am near the completion of the tutorials, and it appears to me to be more a situation of it representing a past version of the software as opposed to a typo. The tutorial also illustrates certain drop down functionalities differently than they are in the program itself.

It is rather peculiar that they haven't updated this...

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:37 am

hit "fixed" and set the ratio to 0.0.

metajack · Post by **metajack** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:26 am

I noticed this too and couldn't figure it out. The other thing I was wondering is how do you detune the oscillators the same amount opponsite ways? One at 0.5 990 and one at 1.0 10? I should go read the manual I think.

tylenol · Post by **tylenol** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:07 am

I'm pretty sure that there must have been an earlier version where the current 0.5 was 0.0. Presumably they changed it to be more internally consistent (i.e. so the tuning actually correlates with the frequency, which can never be 0 if there's any sound.) The sounds you get by using 0.5 are the ones you would expect to get from the tutorial text (or at least this is what I thought when I did the tutorials).

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:00 am

Machinate wrote:hit "fixed" and set the ratio to 0.0.

Hi,

To be exact, clicking "fixed" is correct, but it is the Multiplier that must be set to 0.

0 multiplied by anything = 0

That the way to achieve waveshaping in Operator.

Kind regards,
Amaury

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:49 pm

Amaury wrote:
Machinate wrote:hit "fixed" and set the ratio to 0.0.
Hi,

To be exact, clicking "fixed" is correct, but it is the Multiplier

Right, it's of course called multiplier. Didn't have Operator in front of me, thanks for the correction.

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:51 pm

Machinate wrote:
Amaury wrote:
Machinate wrote:hit "fixed" and set the ratio to 0.0.
Hi,

To be exact, clicking "fixed" is correct, but it is the Multiplier
Right, it's of course called multiplier. Didn't have Operator in front of me, thanks for the correction.

What you don;t know it by heart???

You're welcome,

best,
Amaury

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:57 pm

Amaury wrote:What you don;t know it by heart???

Well I most certainly do now

- Crazy thing is that almost all of my gritty drum and bass patches use this waveshaper - you can get some awesome pwm sounds out of it!

justin · Post by **justin** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:32 pm

my understanding is that waveshaping can only be achieved if the fixed button is on and the multi parameter is set to 0, the frequency parameter (in terms of pitch) is then irrelevant for that particular oscillator since its frequency is multiplied by 0 (120hz x 0 = 0hz).

the envelope for the waveshaping oscillator controls the amplitude, and the envelope of the oscillator which is being waveshaped controls the amplitude of its signal but also affects the timbre of the sound, or presumably the amount of waveshaping... (i'm sure there must be a clearer way of explaining this)

does operator come with any patches which demonstrate this technique?
it might be an idea to make a waveshaping preset category / tutorial?
it seems to be a question which pops up quite frequently...

on a final note, and without wanting to be pedantic, i realise this a global community... but for the sake of concise information, and to avoid a typo in the next update to the operator manual:
"course" is a noun, which is used in context with a racing track or a teaching course.
"coarse" is an adjective, which can be used to describe the increments in a tuning system (fine or coarse tuning).

i understand "american" english has different spellings, but as far as i know this is the correct spelling...