Showing only 128 parameters of a vst????

WaveRider · Post by **WaveRider** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:15 pm

One year ago, i made a big fuss about that, I also sent e-mails to support. The answer was: maybe will fix it someday, but not soon. Ok Abes, it has been 1 year now.

CAN YOU GIVE US ACCESS TO ALL VST PARAMETERS PLEASE?

Are you in the vst host market or not????

ModuLR · Post by **ModuLR** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:07 pm

I posted a thread regarding this as a feature request (tho I really consider it a bug as well)... My favorite synths all exceed live's parameter limit. It's extremely annoying not being able to automate such params. What is being asked here is nothing more than the most basic VST support... All parameters should be available and automatable.

WaveRider · Post by **WaveRider** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:43 pm

ModuLR wrote: What is being asked here is nothing more than the most basic VST support... All parameters should be available and automatable.

Exactly!!!! Basic stuff for a vst host!!!!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:18 pm

Frank Hoffmann wrote:
WaveRider wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:it has something to do with the amount of parameters some plugins have.
They go from 1 to 10000+.
I think ableton decided on 128 parameters, so that things wouldn't be to confusing.

They made a statement about that once, but i cant find where it was posted.

cheers
Thank you very much for the answer.

128 is just not enough!!!!!!!! It is an arbitrary limit that should not be so low.... that does not make very power user-friendly.....

..I do not like when devs start to think when things are too confusing for me... just give me access please....

...in any case, I bought Live 4 because it was VSTi compatible, but limitations are there. There is a severe oversight concerning the undo history/parameter editing also. (posted too)
Sorry, there is a misunderstanding. We didn't think it is confusing. It is simply unusable in terms of GUI and management. Live will most likely never support more than 128 parameter for automation in plug-in at the same time.

The problem is that you are limited to just the first 128 parameters in Live 4/5. In a future version you will have the choice and select which parameters you prefer to automate.

Frank

Just a little a question. When you said future version, did you mean Live 6?
Or will this be for a version a bit more in the future?
The browser seems to be equipped for the job.
Custom ranges and a randomizer button could probably fit in there somewhere

- Bjorn

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:54 pm

of all the things that should have been added during live 6 design - SURELY this has to be one of them!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:17 pm

justin wrote:of all the things that should have been added during live 6 design - SURELY this has to be one of them!

Maybe it is. Thats why i'm bumping this thread. there's loads of little improvements in Live.
And the way the browser works now, makes me think that the feature is there or almost there.

roby · Post by **roby** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:48 am

justin wrote:of all the things that should have been added during live 6 design - SURELY this has to be one of them!

really

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:41 pm

Bump!

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:15 pm

bump x2

any progress with this?

leinad · Post by **leinad** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:36 pm

Frank Hoffmann wrote: The problem is that you are limited to just the first 128 parameters in Live 4/5. In a future version you will have the choice and select which parameters you prefer to automate.

Frank

This is ok. I face the same problem when using Reaktor, which exposes 1000 parameters (if I remember correctly). And many of the ensembles use parameters numbers above 128.

While your approach of allowing the user to select which parameters are preferred to automate, it would be more sensible to add an integer field in the preferences where the user can specify the maximum amount of avaliable parameters, because having to set up parameter preferences for each individual Reaktor ensemble would be a real pain.

justin · Post by **justin** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:27 pm

i realise this is not ideal, but u can re order the controllers within a reactor ensemble file... it's a bit of a pain in the butt to do, but at least u can get it to display the controllers u want within the first 128 controllers....

on the other hand, synths like waldorf attack, albino, and arturia plugs, where u cant reassign controllers for automation are the real pain in the butt. some of them u might be able to get round it by using midi cc mapping within the plugin, but that is not necessarily possible and its not an ideal solution!

muthafunka · Post by **muthafunka** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:42 am

Yep, I'll bump this one> for a DAW that supports the vsti format this is really getting to be an unacceptable hobble. Come on Abes, we know you're on to something, give us it sooner than later, this isn't a version feature we should pay for, just basic functionality that's missing.

WaveRider · Post by **WaveRider** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:17 pm

justin wrote:
on the other hand, synths like waldorf attack, albino, and arturia plugs, where u cant reassign controllers for automation are the real pain in the butt. some of them u might be able to get round it by using midi cc mapping within the plugin, but that is not necessarily possible and its not an ideal solution!

got you totally Justin!!!!!! it is unbelivable that a soft of this price, that calls itself a vst host, is failing so miserably to give us access to parameters

....and they know the solution they just won't do it!!!!!!!!! it cripples the soft you idiots do something!!!!!!!!

WaveRider · Post by **WaveRider** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:19 pm

anti-banausic wrote:You know, for some guys with low post you are pretty aggressive towards a company that is actually trying to listen to its user base (unlike some of the bigger ones).

so one year later have they listened???? noooooooo.

justin · Post by **justin** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:14 pm

aaargh...