ot, children of men

Casual Beats · Post by **Casual Beats** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:07 pm

glu wrote: Definately a movie for the Alamo draft house... movie, a beer and pizza.. I love austin!

me too glu

jb61264 · Post by **jb61264** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:12 pm

glu wrote:
jb61264 wrote:If you all like heady movies that grab you for a ride...go see Mel Gibsons Apocolypto...wow what a shocking graphic movie and the storyline behind is gripping as well. I was blown away.
From an anthropological view, the film had some reeaal lame moments... laddened with christian overtones (jesus birth, our father prayer, missionaries saving the day..etc) , bad dialog/Yucatec translations, and i still find it a bit ethnocentric to depict indigenous people running through a jungle trying to kill each. Much of the population have had no education in mayan civilization, and the skewed imagery in the flick is bad in that way.

imagery was awesome. costumes were awesome.

depiction of the mayans... wah wah..

Really?...wow I must have missed the "jesus birth" and "our father prayer"...when did those occur in the movie?...i remember the arrival of the Conquistadors and that their was a quick view of a priest in the boat as they arrived, but thats all i recall...I thought that the depiction of Mayan civilization back then was supposed to be very well researched and presented...I know they were a brutal civilization and did hunt out slaves to offer as sacrifices, I'll have to maybe read a bit more on that...overall I thought the storyline was great and imagery and costumes definately were superb

subbasshead · Post by **subbasshead** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:23 pm

i loved the movie - michael caine as a ganja growing hippy was brilliant
& loved it when he says 'now for a bit of zen music' and drops a gnarly
aphex twin song!

but yeah have to concede, it is very stylishly made - cinematography is
stunning but some of the subtext is a bit OTT...
humans will inevitably become extinct at some stage
but it'll more likely be at the hands of the George W Bush of the future
rather than infertility...

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:27 pm

Studio Movie Grill in Dallas - Full Bar

They don't play anything older, all newer movies but at least you can get a huge plate of nachos and order drinks.

glu · Post by **glu** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:02 am

"forgive us our trespasses father"

baby born underwater... (the imagery)

the "we need a new beginning" line towards the end

the missionary arriving as the restless natives were chasing each other..

there were more, I really need to watch it with less beer next time.

Also, the lingo didn't equate... I dunno, I am not schooled in Mayan dialects, but I don't think the slang is the same...

There's more stuff, but I could equally talk about how vivid the imagery was, how awesome the scenery was, etc etc. Very beautiful work, Mel did a good job.. at least to some extent. I should dig up some reviews from anthropologists.. my girlfriend read some stuff that she said tore up the movie.

peace
g

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:30 am

Yes it was a bit too political/religious/etc, and I'm still cutting on myself after what was easily one of the most depressing films ever....but it's a doozie.

I wonder if it's subliminimal messages (which is a pun inside a pun......er, kinda)

btw, I saw someone mention the "humor" and that was very true. There are some excellent relief lines......and boy do you need em!

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:58 am

I just saw Children of Men tonight. Fantastic.

I'm also glad that I didn't take my girlfriend to see it. She freaks out at hyper-realistic violence. No high-falutin' kung fu shit or acrobatics here my friends, just paranoia and raw, dirty, ugly violence.

Without giving it away, the last half hour rivals Saving Private Ryan in terms of realistic violence. Having served as a soldier in Bosnia back in the day, I have never seen a better rendition of modern street combat than I have in this movie. Children of Men really shows what it's like for the civvies caught in street fighting.

I want to say more, but I don't want to spoil it...

I'll just say that they take hyperbole to the extreme when it comes to the politics, and they clumsily charicaturize both the authorities and the anti-authority folks. Take the message with a grain of salt, as with most dark-future / apocalyptic fiction.

cosmosuave · Post by **cosmosuave** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:28 am

Saw it... Although it was good I was really disappointed with the ending... I felt that there was no closure on the movie... Also I like to know why England was the last bastion of hope at that time since people were fleeing to go there and being rounded up as refugees... What happen the the rest of the world?

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:49 am

cosmosuave wrote:Saw it... Although it was good I was really disappointed with the ending... I felt that there was no closure on the movie... Also I like to know why England was the last bastion of hope at that time since people were fleeing to go there and being rounded up as refugees... What happen the the rest of the world?

Same premise as 28 days later... only there it was England that was fucked and the rest of the world that was recovering.

It's because it's an island. All the martial law in the world won't help you if you can be invaded by a neighbour. England (and Scotland and Wales) has that natural barrier of the Channel to prevent invasion, both in the military and migration sense. Hence, England can keep enough control over their own territory whereas other European countries can't.

That's my $0.02

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:10 am

subbasshead wrote:humans will inevitably become extinct at some stage
but it'll more likely be at the hands of the George W Bush of the future
rather than infertility...

I am not a supporter of GW in any way, but I (and I don't mean this specifically to you) am extremely worried by how so many people attribute the overall horrible condition of the world to one less than mediocre leader.

I just finished watching this movie myself. It inspired me greatly. It was the kick in the ass I needed to start working on my own activist art and projects. One thing that I was really impressed by was the fact that the British were portraid in very fascist manner. This was effctive to me because it emphasized that people in general abuse their power, though it is dicey to delegate whom has the eventual right to it.

There is no need to generalize about how horrible americans are either (I am not saying that you did

) yet much of the world seems to attribute both our success and our leaders actions with us. Many of us are just as fed up but do not have the freedom to speak under the safety blanket of non-us-citizenship nor great geographic distance. Having said that, I will reiterate that I am not nearly as radical/anti-bush as the bulk of young educated liberals in my town. The arrogant generalizations I hear from them have chased me to study politics on my own through universites and focus on more interesting things like books on C++.

Human nature is not recquired to adhere instictively (imo) to social norms, and there has never been a society (except perhaps that of the Indus Valley region, 4000 years ago) that did not come together out of a means of agression towards another group of people or through some level of slanted religious authority.

Right now we are at a point in time where people make large claims to understanding everything but making no action towards peace or progress. Even within the US the engineered division of the democrats and republicans has taken the absurd model of sports fanaticism and imposed it upon or social interactions and politcal forums.

Humans are not stupid. But we are for the most part profoundly lazy. I'm gonna go do something useful with my time. This movie was inspiring. Your quote was not something I found fault with so much as it was a means for me to initiate this passage. I respect your opinion, share it to an undetermined extent and I thank you

Contra · Post by **Contra** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:45 am

children of men was a very dope movie.
aint gonna spoil it either but go see it,
especially if you wanna see michael kaine smokin that leaf.!

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:22 am

LOFA, I'll PM you since I don't want to write a spoiler here...

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:45 am

LOFA wrote:
subbasshead wrote:humans will inevitably become extinct at some stage
but it'll more likely be at the hands of the George W Bush of the future
rather than infertility...
I am not a supporter of GW in any way, but I (and I don't mean this specifically to you) am extremely worried by how so many people attribute the overall horrible condition of the world to one less than mediocre leader.

Just to add fuel here. The most telling definition of evil I've heard is that of an ignorant and stupid person with the power to act out their half baked ideas.
I took his remark more on the lines of saying that some ignorant leader of one of the world powers would be the most likely to end our race, and quite possibly with supposedly good intentions.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:56 am

Machinesworking wrote:
LOFA wrote:
subbasshead wrote:humans will inevitably become extinct at some stage
but it'll more likely be at the hands of the George W Bush of the future
rather than infertility...
I am not a supporter of GW in any way, but I (and I don't mean this specifically to you) am extremely worried by how so many people attribute the overall horrible condition of the world to one less than mediocre leader.
Just to add fuel here. The most telling definition of evil I've heard is that of an ignorant and stupid person with the power to act out their half baked ideas.
I took his remark more on the lines of saying that some ignorant leader of one of the world powers would be the most likely to end our race, and quite possibly with supposedly good intentions.

Interesting.

davec1 · Post by **davec1** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:32 am

someone mentioned very realistic violence, referring mostly to the end of the movie.

That was another aspect that stood out for me a lot. there's untra-brutal movies with chainsaws and whatnot and the violence doesn't affect me. in children of men however it all seems so viscerally real. a motorbike crashing into a car gave me a much bigger flinching "ouch" effect than a hundred spectacular car explosions.

It just all looked so frigging real it was very impressive (which I think can be partly attributed to hollywood conventions being ignored: no, car crashes don't inevitably lead to a huge explosion. etc.)