Virus Control VST and Live 6 latency problems.

sparco · Post by **sparco** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:05 am

guys interestingly enough i get the same problem! i just bought my access ti polar earlier this week.. it seems to work fine but when i try to record notes especially arpeggiators there is huge latency problem... the beats initially come in and out and then they are off sync completely.

in contrast to what some other think in this forum, every time i hit the key i actually do see the midi light flashing up on live so i think its the sound thats actually coming late.

i would be very interested to see if there is a "cure" for this...

thx

sparo

macbook pro 2.16 ghz - 2gig Ram - live 6.03 - edirol fa-66 audio interface mac os x

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:41 pm

There is a "cure", but it's a short term solution. If you turn of delay compensation (not in the preferences, but rather in the main menu under "Options"), then the recording delay is substantially reduced.

I have been working with Access support on this issue; expect it to be addressed in a bugfix release of the VC software.

moomaaman · Post by **moomaaman** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:56 am

Hi guys,
me too! bought a virus ti keyboard 3 days ago, when I record anything using the keyboard, live is inputting the notes into the sequencer 1/16th of a note behind. changed all latencies, etc, still no good.
the workaround is only good for one track, i.e, if you have to disable delay compensation to record a track then any previously recorded go out out of synch......

also, live is unusable in session view if using arpeggiators in any of the tracks, as they take so long to get in synch.... is this a common problem or just mine???

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:54 pm

For the arp issue, can you guys check and see if you're recording any aftertouch data from the TI? If so, try deleting that from your sets (the AT Data) and see if the arps sync better now.

Please let me know if this helps at all.

moomaaman · Post by **moomaaman** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:30 pm

sqook wrote: I have been working with Access support on this issue; expect it to be addressed in a bugfix release of the VC software.

oh dear..... this is the reply I got from access today...

"I discussed your problem with our R&D. We're aware of the Midi input problem in Live, however this
problem is not in the range we can control with the TI Control PlugIn. We're in touch with Ableton of
course."

so where do we go from here???????

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:32 pm

I'm seeing this problem too. VC is unusable in Live 6.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:39 pm

It is? I've been using it for many tunes recently.

Anyway, the issue isn't totally Access's fault in this case, and they are working with ableton on it, just like he said.

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:45 pm

Tarekith wrote:It is? I've been using it for many tunes recently.

Anyway, the issue isn't totally Access's fault in this case, and they are working with ableton on it, just like he said.

I've tried it on two different machines, with two different interfaces and every combination of monitoring and latency settings imaginable and it's just too sloppy. Maybe ok for pads but that's it.

Hopefully between the Access & Ableton they'll figure it out. It works just fine for me in Logic.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:45 pm

FAAAK!!

Why didn't I see this thread before. My new TI Keyboard is waiting for me at the UPS place and all I use is Live for a DAW.

First I read the thread about it not being a 'real' multitimbral synth, then this one. damnit damnit.

PS Hi my new fellow TI comrades

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:46 pm

timothyallan wrote: First I read the thread about it not being a 'real' multitimbral synth, then this one. damnit damnit.

How is it not a real mulitimbral synth?

It works just fine for me over midi, which is what I'm using until VC gets sorted out.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:55 pm

Not really multitimbral in the sense that one part in a multi can affect another part depending on a filter setting, whereas each part should be totally seperate.

http://virusti.com/forum/index.php?act= ... 4f9e3173ee

In multi mode when you have one sound with an 'extreme filter change', i.e. a big sweep, it will affect the other parts in the multi... which shouldn't be affected. From Access :

"This is actually a known restriction of the Virus sound engine
when creating very percussive sounds (like a bassdrum) with extreme filter changes. If a bassdrum is done with fast and extreme pitch changes and with a sine oscillator, then you won't run into this problem. Since this is a technical restriction of the Virus sound engine, I only can recommend to
sample the bassdrum or to record it into your computer on an audio track."

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:02 pm

timothyallan wrote:Not really multitimbral in the sense that one part in a multi can affect another part depending on a filter setting, whereas each part should be totally seperate.

http://virusti.com/forum/index.php?act= ... 4f9e3173ee

Interesting. I haven't bumped into that one and I always use multis with the TI but it does sound like a real problem.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:01 am

Gah, just got the TI keyboard delivered! I've got 2 hours left of it staring me in the face at work here until I can go home!

Will post if anything works/doesn't work

kenporter · Post by **kenporter** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:54 am

Here's a better work around than turning off delay compensation, until the Ableton people fix this problem. Create 2 MIDI tracks, one with the VC on it or triggering the VC, then a dummy MIDI track just recording the notes (using the same MIDI inputs). Now arm both tracks and record your part (you're able to hear your Virus through one of the armed tracks). After recording your part, drag the dummy MIDI clip onto the Virus MIDI track and your note lag is gone. I know it's a pain, but it's a better fix than turning off the delay compensation in a dense mix. Let's hope the Abes come up with a solution soon!

Ken

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:17 am

I'm experiencing the bpm meter from hell issue that was brought up here with Live 6.0.3

http://virusti.com/forum/index.php?act= ... 5a00d6a423

The tutorial song seems like it jumps from 100 bpm to 130, then back down to 100 etc

It's almost like it buffers a few seconds, then dies while it catches up. The virus is the only USB plugged into my system so it's not like the usb bus is flooded...