Virus Control VST and Live 6 latency problems.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:20 pm

Timothy, are you using the Virus as a soundcard?

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:25 pm

I was just going to PM you actually.

Nope, I'm using the motu 828mkii as a soundcard. However, even with the TI set as the soundcard there is still that sync issue.

So are you running v2 VC fine on an XP setup? If someones doing it, then there's no reason why I cant

Just got an email from Dom saying "Regarding the Virus TI problems there are no news yet, sorry." So the Abes are aware of it. It's probably in Access's hands now.

-tim

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:49 pm

I use OSX sorry, and the ball is definitely in ABLETON's court this time, not Access.

kenporter · Post by **kenporter** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:47 pm

I got an email from Ableton support a while back too, saying the same thing, no news yet but check the buglist on the forum. To be honest I don't think this is of big concern to Ableton at this point, since there is only a small percentage of all Ableton users that use it with a TI. Since I would imagine that Ableton doesn't have a great amount of resources, they prioritize things like updates where they actually make money, bug fixes that the majority of users are experiencing and therefore has to be addressed, and then the problems that only a few people are experiencing. I don't think this fix is very high on their list, unfortunately. I'd love to be proven wrong!

Ken

shiba_dad · Post by **shiba_dad** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:57 pm

I've been using VC OS2.0, Live6.03 on win XP pro with very few problems of late. I had more frequent problems at first but since I did these three things I've seen a huge improvement:

1) got a dedicated usb card-- this helped some, but still some intermittent arp and sync problems
then I
2) switched from Virus to my m-audio 2496 for the audio driver
3) unplugged a usb hub from my system

As for #3, I of course did not have the Virus plugged into the hub, I think just its presence in the system was doing something.

#2 and #3 happened at the same time so I cant really say which one did the trick, but after that the frequency of arp and sync problems decreased considerably.

#2 with a buffer of 256 did wonders for improving the latency I was experiencing also.

As someone mentioned in the TI forum, the quickest way to get the BPM sync back is to make a quick change to the temp, hit play for a second or two and then switch tempo back.

timothyallan-- I hope you get it figured out. Good luck !
Tarekith-- I'll check on the AT info, but I dont think that I am using AT on the arps that have been bugging me.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:11 am

I've done all those things already, except for the dedicated usb card.

I figured I don't need one since there are no other usb devices plugged in.

However, I got an email from Access telling me to downgrade to 1.2.4 (or whatever the last one before 2.0 was) to see if the problem still occurred.
So I did that, and the demo song works perfectly in Live. So my issue only revolve around v2 of Virus Control.

I didn't get to test anything else as I had to run to work, but will do more testing tonight to see if 1.2.4 does any other wierd things.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:49 am

Tarekith wrote:Mine works fine with Live 6.03, latest version of VC too.

on what computer

i sold my ti to get a mbp
the os 2.0 video makes me want to get another real bad
lots of mbp complaints on the ti forum though so.....

shiba_dad · Post by **shiba_dad** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:36 am

I should have known better. I cursed myself by bragging about reduced problems.

I'm back to arps sticking or not playing and having to do the tempo switch thing. NO AT being used either. O well, I'm not sure what to try next. I had this problem with the last OS as well so its not an OS2 thing for me. At least its intermittent and has a workaround albeit a PIA.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:56 am

Well I fixed the bpm bug and now only have the arp issues that everyone else has.

My solution was to do everything opposite to what I've heard

First I downgraded from 2.0 -> 1.2.4

then I plugged in ALL my midi devices (including a hub), with the virus on its own usb port.

I then installed 2.0 overtop of 1.2.4 without uninstalling it and flashed the TI to 2.0

Rebooted the computer and voila, no more wacky flashing bpm light issues!
Now I just get the occasional arp that doesn't retrigger, but at least I can use VC.

Next problem, how to get the TI's analogue outs coming into my motu828mkii so that they sync up with the usb1/2 out on the TI...because they sure don't unless delay compensation is off!

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:08 pm

jackmazzotti wrote:
Tarekith wrote:Mine works fine with Live 6.03, latest version of VC too.
on what computer

i sold my ti to get a mbp
the os 2.0 video makes me want to get another real bad
lots of mbp complaints on the ti forum though so.....

On a MBP c2d

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:09 pm

Of course you need to tun off delay comp, that's the only way you'll ever get a plug in with high latency to match up with a physical audio out.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:16 pm

I know, it was more of a rhetorical holy grail kind of question

Cryptic UK · Post by **Cryptic UK** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:23 pm

Still problems

Im glad i took mine back, dont tell me that workarounds while standing on your head means its working.

cs759 · Post by **cs759** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:43 pm

kenporter wrote:Here's a better work around than turning off delay compensation, until the Ableton people fix this problem. Create 2 MIDI tracks, one with the VC on it or triggering the VC, then a dummy MIDI track just recording the notes (using the same MIDI inputs). Now arm both tracks and record your part (you're able to hear your Virus through one of the armed tracks). After recording your part, drag the dummy MIDI clip onto the Virus MIDI track and your note lag is gone. I know it's a pain, but it's a better fix than turning off the delay compensation in a dense mix. Let's hope the Abes come up with a solution soon!

Ken

I don't find this helps. It is having Virus Control loaded that causes the problem. As soon as I unload VC, either padkontrol's or the TI keyboard's notes are spot on. With VC loaded they are always 1/32 early.

I think the workaround / method to record midi with VC is to press the little "D" against the channel in VC, then all notes are spot on again, because latency is bypassed.

kenporter · Post by **kenporter** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:42 pm

Your notes are early, really? The only problem I have is that my notes seem to be late on the track containing the VC. Did you have record quantization turned off, or set it to 16th notes and see. Maybe you are playing early.

Sorry, the "solution" I posted works OK here. Of course this is not really a solution, more a temporary way to get this to work.

Ken