Nord News: New Synth on the Way?

[itook4lefts]

I really hope it's not a G3, because I just bought a G2X!

I know my G2X will be obsolete some day, but just a couple of days after it arrives? That's a pretty raw deal.

mate, that thing's not going to obsolete for years, if at all. plenty of people are still using the micros, even though it's been discontinued for years. don't worry about it. it's great piece of kit.

though a small micro modular 2 with midi, audio and patch editing over one usb cable, plus VST integration with a few endless knobs would rule the earth.

[b0unce]

though a small micro modular 2 with midi, audio and patch editing over one usb cable, plus VST integration with a few endless knobs would rule the earth.

heh,,...the G2 is so convenient to use with ableton live it might as well be a vst, add to that a bcr2000 ....

anyways, it seems to me that clavia discontinue products when they run out of parts,
if they re-released the micromodular, it might not use the same D/As and thus sound a bit different....I sold my micromodular when I needed instant money and a G2 was on the way, I figured I wouldnt pay it enough attention......big mistake, the G2 has cleaner outputs and I miss the NM all the time, especially for bell & mallet type sounds....

if they re-released a modernised micromodular like they did with the nord lead2, I'd probably still look for a 2nd hand original....

[b0unce]

[itook4lefts]

heh,,...the G2 is so convenient to use with ableton live it might as well be a vst, add to that a bcr2000 ....

fair point - the G2 engines are pretty cheap right now as well.

[b0unce]

heh,,...the G2 is so convenient to use with ableton live it might as well be a vst, add to that a bcr2000 ....

fair point - the G2 engines are pretty cheap right now as well.

oh ya, big time - and they are *TINY*...I meant to say G2-engine by the by, having an extra keyboard in the way that I dont use, is not so convenient for me...

if they develop a G3 I hope they also go for a rack-version with a nifty endless rotary interface

[Sasuke]

Hello \(º–º) everybody,

I don't think the Nord Lead 3 is discontinued..lot of people tell me so but it's still published on Clavia website.

Where you found info about discontinuing? Thanx!

[Johnisfaster]

how exactly do you use the g2 engines in ableton? I've never done that whole "hardware plugin" thing but I've seen the phrase tossed around in products here and there and just never knew what to think about it

[darrelldiaz]

As per Jason, the Clavia distributor here in the US. No longer being manfactured and no longer available via retail except at a few dealer with old stock. DD

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

how exactly do you use the g2 engines in ableton? I've never done that whole "hardware plugin" thing but I've seen the phrase tossed around in products here and there and just never knew what to think about it

You use it as any other hardware synth - plug in audio and midi cables. It has a software editor for patching the thing up, but no plugin functionality as such.

But I agree... A VST version of the G2 - yum!

-M

[Johnisfaster]

ok my bad,

but my question still kinda stands, how do "hardware vst's" actually work, I mean does that make it so you don't have to save user programs and then program change messages to pull them up? like, just tweek the settings on screen and then recall them upon opening that song?

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

ok my bad,

but my question still kinda stands, how do "hardware vst's" actually work, I mean does that make it so you don't have to save user programs and then program change messages to pull them up? like, just tweek the settings on screen and then recall them upon opening that song?

I have no experience with them (Virus TI and likes), but I'm guessing that you get some kind of controller VSTi with the synth where you can do editing and that remembers settings. Then I'm thinking that the synth works as a audiointerface, so instead of recording an input - you actually render (if you like) the output from e.g TI_asio_portA. But, again, I'm guessing...

-M

[b0unce]

how exactly do you use the g2 engines in ableton? I've never done that whole "hardware plugin" thing but I've seen the phrase tossed around in products here and there and just never knew what to think about it

well, just like any other hardware in session view. Hooked up to your audio interface and midi interface. Well first of all the unit is so small its out of your mind, its almost as if it doesnt exist. Really, its that small and inconspicuous. Second of all - OK, its not as straight forward as a vst ..but....its only an extra two tracks in the session view to achieve the same results only with extra benefit - virtually no cpu hit, (midi track/monitor audio track/record audio track)....and thirdly the patch editor runs silky smooth and very fast, takes about a second to change presets, and most importantly its an awesome graphical interface...

anyways, the culmination of all those things make the experience just as fluid as using an instance of reaktor , for the way I do things at least.....only I dont get a CPU hit from the g2 engine, and all the other benefits that would be obvious...for instance the awesome interface..and using it while the cpu is off...and how awesome the G2 is anyways...and using controllers with it, just the same as vsts - midi learn...etc ....so thats where I was coming from with that statement I made...

I suppose you have to be happy with your soundcard too, I'm happy with mine.

[[yamaha are working on some external dsp device for using VST3 vsts....they announced it the same time as cubase 4, I wonder what became of it....]]

[Johnisfaster]

how exactly do you use the g2 engines in ableton? I've never done that whole "hardware plugin" thing but I've seen the phrase tossed around in products here and there and just never knew what to think about it

well, just like any other hardware in session view. Hooked up to your audio interface and midi interface. Well first of all the unit is so small its out of your mind, its almost as if it doesnt exist. Really, its that small and inconspicuous. Second of all - OK, its not as straight forward as a vst ..but....its only an extra two tracks in the session view to achieve the same results only with extra benefit - virtually no cpu hit, (midi track/monitor audio track/record audio track)....and thirdly the patch editor runs silky smooth and very fast, takes about a second to change presets, and most importantly its an awesome graphical interface...

anyways, the culmination of all those things make the experience just as fluid as using an instance of reaktor , for the way I do things at least.....only I dont get a CPU hit from the g2 engine, and all the other benefits that would be obvious...for instance the awesome interface..and using it while the cpu is off...and how awesome the G2 is anyways...and using controllers with it, just the same as vsts - midi learn...etc ....so thats where I was coming from with that statement I made...

I suppose you have to be happy with your soundcard too, I'm happy with mine.

[[yamaha are working on some external dsp device for using VST3 vsts....they announced it the same time as cubase 4, I wonder what became of it....]]

so I wouldn't have to save user presets on the g2 and then program change them to come back? I admitedly have never ever enjoyed that fact about hardware, I just want to make my settings in the song and then save it and then recall everything when I come back without having to save presets or worry about program change messages.

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

so I wouldn't have to save user presets on the g2 and then program change them to come back?

Yeah, you would!

-M

[b0unce]

heh, why the long face ?
saving presets doesnt bother me....

and its not like saving presets on other hardware, where you have to menu surf and fidget with small screens etc....you save your presets through the patch editor, which looks and reacts just like a vst and uses keyboard shortcuts like any other piece of software you might run. Its really no big deal, not worth a sad smiley anyways...imo. The audio is already recorded in the project, so is the midi, all I have to do is hit save and name the preset intelligently. It takes all of 2 to 3 seconds to complete, and it saves the preset to your HD or you can save it to the unit itself, *warning* choosing to save to your HD or the engine itself may take another 2 or 3 seconds to decide...

I can sometimes have high expectations, but really theres only so much you can ask from a little red box that's built to work well with & without computers.

theres not much to gain from making an integrated VST device like the virus, IMO.
except maybe more latency and a big pain in the ass for the coders & debuggers

although, if someone wants to learn me on the benefits of the virus/VST thing, please do....I honestly dont really see any notable benefits, if you have a soundcard and midi interface you are happy with.