I have sussed out lives major feel problem

P220ST · Post by **P220ST** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:49 pm

Before you rush out to buy Cubase, bear in mind that you can have Live as a Rewire slave but for some reason you can't have VSTs in Live when it is a Rewire slave.

The OP is right: Live, though an immensely creative, spontaneous platform, is not exactly designed to inject sould into your music.

Great topic for discussion, though. How do you put soul into your Ableton music? God knows, it doesn't all sound like house music.

-P220ST

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:04 pm

P220ST wrote:Before you rush out to buy Cubase, bear in mind that you can have Live as a Rewire slave but for some reason you can't have VSTs in Live when it is a Rewire slave.

The OP is right: Live, though an immensely creative, spontaneous platform, is not exactly designed to inject sould into your music.

Great topic for discussion, though. How do you put soul into your Ableton music? God knows, it doesn't all sound like house music.

-P220ST

Hmm, that's not so good then. Actually I tend to hand edit all my midi track - which sucks

Late hi hats add a lot of feel.
Isn't there a VST that can do this?

P220ST · Post by **P220ST** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:10 pm

I don't believe so. To be honest, I don't know if it is a Live issue or a Rewire issue.

Does anyone know?

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:28 pm

I dont understand.. Live lacks "groove"? How do you mean? Youre also talking about dynamics. I can see a link in dynamics and "the groove" of a beat but I still dont understand what youre saying.
I agree the Ableton sampler plugins need more modulation possibilities (a bigger matrix) to get more random variation in your rhythms but theres plenty of alternatives, both software and hardware.
I also think the Ableton sequencer most definitely needs an option to program control change. Or is it hidden somewhere??

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:36 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:I also think the Ableton sequencer most definitely needs an option to program control change. Or is it hidden somewhere??

Its on a per-clip basis. 1 Program change in 1 clip.
On the left side of the clip..

jlgrimes · Post by **jlgrimes** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:59 pm

I don't thing velocity is Ableton's biggest problem (if it is even a problem at all for that matter).

The biggest 2 problems I see is:

1. Too much reliance on the mouse. Not everyone has a good midi controller. Things like Auto Quantize have no good keyboard shortcuts to get to it.

2. Live's Quantize and Groove options are weak. Live can't do 128th notes at all. Live can't input quantize at 32nd notes. Live's swing functionality is also a bit weak as you can't have different swing percentages on different tracks unless you bounce or freeze audio.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:02 pm

jlgrimes wrote:I don't thing velocity is Ableton's biggest problem (if it is even a problem at all for that matter).

The biggest 2 problems I see is:

1. Too much reliance on the mouse. Not everyone has a good midi controller. Things like Auto Quantize have no good keyboard shortcuts to get to it.

2. Live's Quantize and Groove options are weak. Live can't do 128th notes at all. Live can't input quantize at 32nd notes. Live's swing functionality is also a bit weak as you can't have different swing percentages on different tracks unless you bounce or freeze audio.

what pisses me off at the moment is that if i do edits on a timeline, creating loops out of one shots laid out on arrange view across multiple tracks, theres no way to give these any groove..

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:33 pm

sweetjesus wrote:what pisses me off at the moment is that if i do edits on a timeline, creating loops out of one shots laid out on arrange view across multiple tracks, theres no way to give these any groove..

here's the solution for anyone wanting "groove" templates: find a loop that you like the groove of and place warp markers as if you were quantizing it. stretch this loop across an arrange track and set it as the "master" tempo track. done. instant groove quantize.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:39 pm

scientist wrote:
sweetjesus wrote:what pisses me off at the moment is that if i do edits on a timeline, creating loops out of one shots laid out on arrange view across multiple tracks, theres no way to give these any groove..
here's the solution for anyone wanting "groove" templates: find a loop that you like the groove of and place warp markers as if you were quantizing it. stretch this loop across an arrange track and set it as the "master" tempo track. done. instant groove quantize.

ur a genius

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:44 pm

sweetjesus wrote: ur a genius

why, thank you. actually this is one of the features i've been plugging to non-live using friends...it also means that from now on drummers don't need click tracks and can be as sloppy as they want...warp the drummer's track, set it to master, and everything else will fall in line with the drummer's bad timing. good news for recording bands, bad news for djs trying to mix the subsequent records.

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:06 pm

scientist wrote:
sweetjesus wrote: ur a genius
why, thank you. actually this is one of the features i've been plugging to non-live using friends...it also means that from now on drummers don't need click tracks and can be as sloppy as they want...warp the drummer's track, set it to master, and everything else will fall in line with the drummer's bad timing. good news for recording bands, bad news for djs trying to mix the subsequent records.

You are the man! ABLETON: Give this guy some money!

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:08 pm

Funkstar De Luxe wrote:
scientist wrote:
sweetjesus wrote: ur a genius
why, thank you. actually this is one of the features i've been plugging to non-live using friends...it also means that from now on drummers don't need click tracks and can be as sloppy as they want...warp the drummer's track, set it to master, and everything else will fall in line with the drummer's bad timing. good news for recording bands, bad news for djs trying to mix the subsequent records.
You are the man! ABLETON: Give this guy some money!

theres gonna be a lot of happy timeline freaks out there

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:36 pm

i posted this to tips and tricks:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 197#520197
feel free to bump it to spread the word...

mesaboogiewes · Post by **mesaboogiewes** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:48 pm

...i guess this could go the other way too....say if one was recording a live band in pro tools and wants to correct the drummer and put him on regular straight timing - he could import the tracks into live - warp them to all be on beat (even the bleedover) and then transport back into proTools. Instant drummer on click.

thoughts?

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:24 pm

mesaboogiewes wrote:...i guess this could go the other way too....say if one was recording a live band in pro tools and wants to correct the drummer and put him on regular straight timing - he could import the tracks into live - warp them to all be on beat (even the bleedover) and then transport back into proTools. Instant drummer on click.

thoughts?

I would NEVER quantize a real drummer, you will ruin both the sound and the feel. Record him again, tell him to tighten up. Real drums should never been 100% in time - if that's what you want, don't use real drums.