Swing and Groove - What the fork?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:09 pm

dibs on the red head!!

Mesmer · Post by **Mesmer** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:09 pm

nebulae wrote:
hubba hubba!?

LMAO LOL!!!

do you work for istockphoto or something?! I swear, it's like you have had the EastWest Collosus of stock pictures! ?!!

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:11 pm

Tone Deft wrote:dibs on the red head!!

You can have her...I'm leaning toward the brunette with the large hormone-plumped breasts.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:12 pm

Mesmer wrote:
nebulae wrote:
hubba hubba!?
LMAO LOL!!!

do you work for istockphoto or something?! I swear, it's like you have had the EastWest Collosus of stock pictures! ?!!

Google Images. I'm not that original. Tone's got the line on way better images. I'm just a hack.

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:15 pm

Ey!!! Stop fookin' up my thread - this is a place of learning.

Now take your red-neck asses outside, get in your truck, and go home. Yee-haw!!!

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:20 pm

we can't - our car is a bit indisposed

also, that's Tone on the left...

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:52 pm

nebulae wrote:we can't - our car is a bit indisposed

also, that's Tone on the left...

damn, if only I could get back into shape again... those were good times, fast cars, hot chicks.

bland_handl · Post by **bland_handl** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:30 am

Proof I've become a nerd:

wishing that the class would stop being distracted by people putting chickens in their bottoms and get back to the serious business of learning!

A couple of questions though:

1. Anyone got some good techniques/info on transitioning between different time signatures?

2. Anyone have any good suggestions on switching tempos in a natural way (particularly the trickiest: shifting to a faster tempo)?

3. Anyone have some good techniques for emulating groove quantize in Live (other than the global swing concept)?

4. Does anyone have a set of midi clips that emulates Logic's quantize templates to share?

5. Who was it that put the kibble in my pants?

Gyu · Post by **Gyu** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:47 am

Excellent thread, thanks for bumping it.

So it seems to me that it's really easy to apply different levels of swing to different elements of drums simply by applying different amounts of 16T quantization.
Sweet

Kozak · Post by **Kozak** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:22 pm

I also have a question:

I hear people talk about groove templates. Are groove templates just midi files as supplied by ableton or is it something completely different?

Coupe70 · Post by **Coupe70** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:59 pm

so you normally put swing only on drums / percussion ?
what about the rest, bass......
i am always afraid that different timings on different tracks
would make the song sound untight...

and if you want to apply the groove of a drumloop to your
track in live - what do you do ? warp the drumloop (set warp
markers as if you want to completely kill the groove of the loop ?)
and then you choose....what....?

Winston · Post by **Winston** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:33 pm

I remember when I used to use Reason 1.o when it came out and I didn't know what shuffle did on the redrum so I just didn't use it. Man, I can't imagine doing just straight beats now. I'd be lost without swing to be honest. And when I say swing I usually mean triplet quantization because as Neb mentioned, that's the way to achieve swing per clip/track if you don't want to use global swing.

I pretty much never use the global swing actually. I'm happy to use quantization. I know it's been explained, but here's my own simplified perspective: A 4/4 beat will have 4 1/16th notes per beat. Adding a certain % of swing/shuffle to the sixteenth notes makes the even notes late by that percentage of how far apart 16th note triplets are from each other. So if you quantized to 100%, the first and second beats would now be as far apart as a triplet rather than a regular 1/16th note. And the 4th 1/16th note is as far away from the 3rd as a triplet. So you don't actually end up with triplets in this quantization, as there is no third triplet (only the second 1/16th note is where the second triplet would be), more like triplet spacing for certain notes.

So ya, 1/16th note triplet quantization is essentially 1/16th note swing and I love it. Hopefully that angle on things helps with the previous explanations some.

xrayfish · Post by **xrayfish** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:36 pm

bland_handl wrote:
people putting chickens in their bottoms

TD - how did you find that picture on Google Images - did you search for 'a man with a cock up his arse'?

o0o · Post by **o0o** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:55 pm

so then are you quantizing too 16 at 100% first and then quantizing again 16t at 50%?

siliconarc · Post by **siliconarc** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:14 am

bland_handl wrote:3. Anyone have some good techniques for emulating groove quantize in Live (other than the global swing concept)?

check this out - may be a useful method for you..
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89013