sysex handling

orgul · Post by **orgul** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:46 pm

by the way are there any programmable vsti modules design to send sysex messages?
that could be a solution, at lesat until ableon fixes this, to control external hardware...

ytsek · Post by **ytsek** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:15 am

Need Sysex support to control my Juno 106.

.spec · Post by **.spec** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:50 pm

ytsek wrote:Need Sysex support to control my Juno 106.

Ditto! SysEx runs fine when my AMT8s are in patch mode. Soon as I boot up Live, that's it; no more SysEx communication between my PG-300 and MKS-50. Not to mention Virus paging.

Doesn't seem to be mentioned in the L7 new features list. As someone said in the 128+ controllers thread "Lets see the basics covered first"!

e-theory · Post by **e-theory** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:23 am

Brainstormer wrote:I doubt any plugins use sysex (well none in my experience anyway). It's a way to control external MIDI devices, although an important element of the MIDI protocol.

I know the more votes statistically looks better, but I think people posting uninformed comments will just look to the developers like "me too" type statements, which will largely be ignored.

1.) V-Station receives sysex dumps to load K-Station and A-Station presets. This means that Live users using V-Station cannot currently load the extra K-Station and A-Station banks from the Novation website - which is extremely annoying ( well it annoys me at the very least as there are some very intruiging banks on the Novation site that I am dying to check out ). So yes, there are plug-ins that use sysex.

2.) It doesn't look to me like there are "uninformed" comments in this particular thread at all - I doubt that V-Station is the only hardware-modelling synth that can load banks from it's hardware predecessors using sysex - there are probably a whole heap of them.... And I have no issue adding my vote to this thread to bump it up - seems like an informed bump to me - and I seriously hope that such a bump is not ignored by Ableton as that would be a serious oversight imo.

oddeo · Post by **oddeo** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:28 pm

Juno 106 is a key piece of kit, as is sysex.

I hate having to load up DP in rewire just to record Juno trax with my Live projects.

I cannot believe that after all of this time sysex has still not been updated.

Do we need to sign a petition or something?

Seriously!

jhawk · Post by **jhawk** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:44 pm

+1

I thought this was already implemeted in Live several versions ago... To my big surprise I found out today it wasn't! What a dissapointment

Playing live gigs with Live - this should be a must!

snakedogman · Post by **snakedogman** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:59 pm

I'd definitely like to see sysex support in live. I use sysex to back up my Nord Rack patches in Cubase projects but I can't do this in Live

orgul · Post by **orgul** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:25 pm

this has been up for a long time. still not included in live 7.... what a shame....

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:43 pm

this would be handy for those of us trying to to fiddle with native mode on padkontrols... +1

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:23 pm

Live already uses Sysex, namely for Control Surfaces (like Novation Automap). It sends and receives Sysex to communicate with these devices. There are compiled Python scripts for each device template in one of Live's folders which seem to handle these things. Unfortunately the sources of these scripts are not published by Ableton, else we could program our own templates.

oddeo · Post by **oddeo** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:53 pm

Does anyone know of any workarounds?

Is there maybe a vst out there that live can automate which then translates the info to the appropriate sysex? (That is a great feature of Digital Performer.)

If anyone has any clever ideas I would love to hear them.

Cheers!

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:12 am

Hi Neil,

i see you are working with a Mac,
at OSX you can use Midi Pipe ( http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/ )

it´s not a vst but a nice standalone freeware where you can translate midi-control-changes to sys-ex messages (via the tool "message factory") to automate for example the parameter values of a Juno 106 (works fine here

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oddeo · Post by **oddeo** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:24 am

Palmer,

Thank you so much for turning me on to this program. I had no idea it existed.

You have so made my day.

I built and "External Instrument" for the Juno 106, added a Group, then added another "External Instrument" for the MidiPipe. Fantastic!!!!!

Now I can easily record, see and edit automation and use the Freeze and Flatten feature with total ease.

You have made me so happy.

Thank you!!!

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:41 pm

oddeo wrote: I built an "External Instrument" for the Juno 106, added a Group, then added another "External Instrument" for the MidiPipe. Fantastic!!!!!

Now I can easily record, see and edit automation and use the Freeze and Flatten feature with total ease.

Hi Neil,

Nice that i could help and thanks for the grouping tip to freeze and flatten, I have checked it out after reading your reply and indeed this is very exiting.

So you have made my night

Bin ray · Post by **Bin ray** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:54 pm

I've been sending and receiving sysex from Live via a pluggo vsti i've made to edit and automate my desktop evolver. I send data over the network, using the udpsend and udpreceive objects, to a small max msp patch which relays the sysex to the relevant midi ports. it seems to work fine.
since the vsti is talking to the (wireless) network, i can also control all the parameters on my evolver remotely from my laptop (running Live + the vsti) anywhere around the house, the MAX dongle running on my main MIDI'd up machine.

sysex handling

Re: yes please