Why DRUM RACKS go up in 3 rows rather than 4? and no midi?

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Why DRUM RACKS go up in 3 rows rather than 4? and no midi?

Post by nobbystylus » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:03 pm

this seems odd to me that when going up through the Drum racks with the cursor keys it goes in rows in 3 rather than 4, as it would make sense to go in 4 as we could have 8 banks of 16 sounds..

also why can we not assign a midi controller to the selector as i could control everything from my Trigger Finger and not be mousing around to select beats.
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Post by tricil » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:13 pm

yes I have noticed this too. And if you're using an 8 pad controller, because of the 12 jump, one row is always non selectable!!!
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Post by djgroovy » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:19 pm

It's annoying...

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Post by hoffman2k » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:28 pm

Its done that way, so the notes are always in the same place.
C2 is where C1 was....
Wouldn't be possible when shifting 4 rows.

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Post by nobbystylus » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:21 pm

hoffman2k wrote:Its done that way, so the notes are always in the same place.
C2 is where C1 was....
Wouldn't be possible when shifting 4 rows.
sure, but why is that important when you're playing with beat/perc sounds? surely the best way would be to shift 4 rows at a time so that each bank of 16 is distinct... or at least make it a preference that could be changed..

Also why no midi control? This would be ideal for fast switching between beats in a live situation if you had a midi controller controlling where on the grid of clips you were focused..
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Post by jhawk » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:19 pm

Here's a tip.

Hold down the Command ⌘ key while scrolling the drum rack and you'll move 1 row at a time. I'm sure there is a similar shortcut key on a PC as well.

Edit: Look in the manual page 230, section 16.6.1, "Pad View".

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Post by Clearscreen » Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:11 am

nobbystylus wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Its done that way, so the notes are always in the same place.
C2 is where C1 was....
Wouldn't be possible when shifting 4 rows.
sure, but why is that important when you're playing with beat/perc sounds? surely the best way would be to shift 4 rows at a time so that each bank of 16 is distinct... or at least make it a preference that could be changed..

Also why no midi control? This would be ideal for fast switching between beats in a live situation if you had a midi controller controlling where on the grid of clips you were focused..
if you set up a user script for your drumpad it shouldn't matter where the notes are should it?

i think i read somewhere in the 7 beta forum that they were 'discussing' including the midi control thing - it seems ridiculous not to have it though, and why not have a little button there that switches it so you can scroll row by row OR screen by screen (ie 4 rows...)
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Post by longjohns » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:46 am

I am in favor of a preference for 3 row, 4 row, or single row movement..

and mappable scroller

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Post by djgroovy » Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:09 pm

longjohns wrote:I am in favor of a preference for 3 row, 4 row, or single row movement..

and mappable scroller
Word!

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Post by nobbystylus » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:09 pm

Yes i spotted the command key one row thing, but this still means lotsa tap tap tapping to get up to the next 'set' of 16 sounds..

give us a preference and midi and it would make it so useful for users of PK or TFs or MPDs..
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