My unbiased thoughts on Logic vs Live

[electrolee]

I'm not in favor of taking live in more of a live performance/Dj direction. There are plenty of those tools out there already, and frankly Dj'ing is a much over-hyped and very small market segment.

I'd guess a 100-1 ratio of wanna be djs to wannabe music producers and artists.

All Live needs is a good way to edit recoded material, which it sorely lacks as is.

And fix that god damned timing/delay stuff.

Yeah I totally agree on those three points! Live should treat both aspects equally. But I feel more focus should go on the DAW aspect if anything just because the world needs a DAW that powerful and doesnt use the linear approach to music. Live can be both and should strive to be both.

They should really focus on Audio Editing (with ableton style of course) Most production trends these days are leaning towards tricked out and mangled audio in arrangement style DAW's. Being able to to do that then reconsolidate to clips is just the best concept I love it.

[replicant6]

My favorite point about Logic is its library. They really give you a huge palette of great sounds and that is incredible. The next best point is its plugins, especially Space Designer.

Ableton Live is my tool of choice for its workflow. I am just far more productive in Live's session view, it flawlessly integrates with my hardware. And the ability to just jam out and capture ideas efortlessly... it allows you to combine practice, jamming, composition and tracking all seamlessly. Then I can sit down and edit and arrange. So much more intuitive (for me anyway) than linear workflows like Logic and Cubase. AND its warping abilities are the best I've heard.


In fact.. I have a question for you all. Has anyone else noticed that Logic's time stretching algorithms suck? I have tried the 'follow tempo' feature, as well as offline processing in the time/pitch machine. No matter what algorithms I use (processing things like Vocals and guitars), the audio sounds garbled and has a doubled effect. Completely unusable since version 7, and I tried it last night in 8. Still sounds as crappy as ever. Then I went back to Live 7, turned on warp, set it to 'tones'... sounded great. There were some slight artifacts, but only noticeable when the vocal was solo'd. In the mix it was fine. The vocal was recorded at 110 bpm, and I increased it to 115. Now I could understand it if I was slowing it down drastically, but this shouldn't mess up the sound.

Am I the only one who has noticed that Logic's time stretching blows? I think I must be doing something wrong, because I don't see how Apple could release something this unusable.

cheers guys and happy holidays

R6

[4ace]

My favorite point about Logic is its library. They really give you a huge palette of great sounds and that is incredible. The next best point is its plugins, especially Space Designer.
R6

The EXACT reason i plan on getting Studio in the new year.That amount of USABLE content is sick!

Along with the plugins as stated..

[morerecords]

I just switched from Logic to Live, for me, it is wAAAAAAAAAyy better for composition. I now do my composing in Live, mixing down in Logic leter.

[Machinate]

I'm not in favor of taking live in more of a live performance/Dj direction. There are plenty of those tools out there already, and frankly Dj'ing is a much over-hyped and very small market segment.

I'd guess a 100-1 ratio of wanna be djs to wannabe music producers and artists.

All Live needs is a good way to edit recoded material, which it sorely lacks as is.

And fix that god damned timing/delay stuff.

Yeah I totally agree on those three points! Live should treat both aspects equally. But I feel more focus should go on the DAW aspect if anything just because the world needs a DAW that powerful and doesnt use the linear approach to music. Live can be both and should strive to be both.

They should really focus on Audio Editing (with ableton style of course) Most production trends these days are leaning towards tricked out and mangled audio in arrangement style DAW's. Being able to to do that then reconsolidate to clips is just the best concept I love it.

I'm sorry, but I really couldn't DISagree more. For me, a Live user since v.3, the fascination has always been in the BREAK with the DAW paradigms that pulled me in... session view was the biggest eye-opener for me, coming from Logic 4.5.5 or whatever it was at the time.

The turn towards DAW production may be in keeping with current "trends" as you say, but the real power is in making a "live performance" approach useful in studios.

[Lazos]

I'm not in favor of taking live in more of a live performance/Dj direction. There are plenty of those tools out there already, and frankly Dj'ing is a much over-hyped and very small market segment.

I'd guess a 100-1 ratio of wanna be djs to wannabe music producers and artists.

All Live needs is a good way to edit recoded material, which it sorely lacks as is.

And fix that god damned timing/delay stuff.

Yeah I totally agree on those three points! Live should treat both aspects equally. But I feel more focus should go on the DAW aspect if anything just because the world needs a DAW that powerful and doesnt use the linear approach to music. Live can be both and should strive to be both.

They should really focus on Audio Editing (with ableton style of course) Most production trends these days are leaning towards tricked out and mangled audio in arrangement style DAW's. Being able to to do that then reconsolidate to clips is just the best concept I love it.

I'm sorry, but I really couldn't DISagree more. For me, a Live user since v.3, the fascination has always been in the BREAK with the DAW paradigms that pulled me in... session view was the biggest eye-opener for me, coming from Logic 4.5.5 or whatever it was at the time.

The turn towards DAW production may be in keeping with current "trends" as you say, but the real power is in making a "live performance" approach useful in studios.

I agree Machinate and very well said. Logic is one of a number of superb applications for music recording and production, but Live does most (and more) of what Logic does, plus turns your computer into a living, interactive instrument.

[kenporter]

Yeah I totally agree on those three points! Live should treat both aspects equally. But I feel more focus should go on the DAW aspect if anything just because the world needs a DAW that powerful and doesnt use the linear approach to music. Live can be both and should strive to be both.

They should really focus on Audio Editing (with ableton style of course) Most production trends these days are leaning towards tricked out and mangled audio in arrangement style DAW's. Being able to to do that then reconsolidate to clips is just the best concept I love it.

I'm sorry, but I really couldn't DISagree more. For me, a Live user since v.3, the fascination has always been in the BREAK with the DAW paradigms that pulled me in... session view was the biggest eye-opener for me, coming from Logic 4.5.5 or whatever it was at the time.

The turn towards DAW production may be in keeping with current "trends" as you say, but the real power is in making a "live performance" approach useful in studios.

I couldn't agree more with Electrolee on the other hand. I find Live to be one of the most inspiring software applications there is. I come up with ideas, am able to do quick things all in session view. Then I put it all in the arrange view where I build and finalize my song. Here I think it's lacking in some of the DAW features. Like Electrolee stated implement some DAW-like features but Ableton style, for example nothing at this point beats their implementation of freeze imho. I want more of those innovative ideas like Drum Rack, etc. On the other hand it lacks in some simple functions like transposing several clips on different tracks at the same time, etc. I'd love to see folder tracks, offline processing, scrolling, etc. I like to use Live in the studio to fully produce a song without lacking any DAW-like functions, but I also love Live to use for live shows. My band just went on a European tour about 2 months ago, and Live didn't even glitch once. I have done shows using Cubase as well as ProTools before, all with disaster stories I would love to forget about. Nothing comea close to Live when it comes to live performances. Add some cool Ableton style DAW features, and nothing comes close to Live period.

My 2 cents.

Ken