Fun Fun Tuesday - Hating is Fun Fun

[Machinesworking]

Machinesworking I see it like this: Intention = content, language = style. I take pride in my first language I'll probably never be as good in any written language as I am in English, so I might as well make the most of what I do know.

OK but if you think your style is in any way related to your content then you are in-fluxing ego/pride into the mix youknowwhatI'msaying?

You found Timur's post annoying, to me it was a pleasure to read, like almost all of his posts, although I think he's being unrealistic about what the forum is 'for'. He's a top forum member in my book.

OK go back and reread what I wrote. I never said I found his post annoying, I simply pointed out that style/content are different, and in that sense his content, oddly enough in a post about him being annoyed about style, was IMO poor in that particular case.

Kore, eh? If you go to the Kore forum you'll find two unreplied posts I wrote making a fairly long-winded point about topics that a minority of people will care about. Would more people have read/responded if I'd dumbed down my language? Probably! Do I care? No! Because the only way to get the fucking words out was for the information to flow from me in a certain way.

point me to them. Personally I probably didn't respond because it's only been recently that I thought NI had improved Kore 2 enough on the mac to merit discussion. I just tinkered around with Kore all last year, because I couldn't really use it until they fixed a few things.

[Machinesworking]

I love you

I love you to dude.


There are a lot of points to be made, but the biggest is that the "receiver" (of whatever dialogue) is most responsible for their perception of it. b0unce outs many dudes on that. Most take the bait and react, others glide on it and respond or go back to their beats without a skip. b0unce and his ilk enjoy reactors. Especially if the reactor loses their cool. But that ain't on b and the other aggressors.

The Individual is responsible for everything that the individual feels and does no matter what. 100%

Forget about how people are supposed to be. Just let them be it and you be what you want to be and try not to be so insecure as to be hurt or at least marginalized. Forget it, move on. Just jump forward a couple years in development as person who's in control no matter what others say/do.

This is the key, be in control of your own self, and allow others to be who they are. It's not a contest. We humans won a long time ago.

The biggest enablers of this hostility are the ones who react and can't move out of their own way. Don't ask for respect, just exemplify.

There is no better way to disarm aggressors. Gandhi had it right.

Ya know, it takes a MUCH bigger set of balls to say I love you than fuck you. I would say Pitch Black has bigger balls than b0unce.

OK then you go on to pass value judgments and put people into categories of who said what and who is bigger better faster etc.
Point is nebula answers a question on Live I was trumped on, he's the man, he whines, I call him on it. Nobody gets a free ride, we are all responsible for the here and now. You don't get any cookies for "I love you" posts, or "can't we just all get along?" posts with me, you get my respect when you earn it, not when you tell me what kind of person you are......
Basically hippies are NOT by their very "positive energy" rhetoric better people than punk rockers. it's all about the individual and what they say and do, the rest is the sales pitch.

[rozling]

Machinesworking I see it like this: Intention = content, language = style. I take pride in my first language I'll probably never be as good in any written language as I am in English, so I might as well make the most of what I do know.

OK but if you think your style is in any way related to your content then you are in-fluxing ego/pride into the mix youknowwhatI'msaying?

You're right, although I would say that my style is related to my content in that I use style to bring it together - when writing long posts they usually start off a horrible mess of fragmented thoughts, and then I apply style to make the thoughts flow and connect up to each other.

You found Timur's post annoying, to me it was a pleasure to read, like almost all of his posts, although I think he's being unrealistic about what the forum is 'for'. He's a top forum member in my book.

OK go back and reread what I wrote. I never said I found his post annoying, I simply pointed out that style/content are different, and in that sense his content, oddly enough in a post about him being annoyed about style, was IMO poor in that particular case.

I did and you're absolutely right, I think I just got a general vibe from your post which on re-reading wasn't there, sorry!

Kore, eh? If you go to the Kore forum you'll find two unreplied posts I wrote making a fairly long-winded point about topics that a minority of people will care about. Would more people have read/responded if I'd dumbed down my language? Probably! Do I care? No! Because the only way to get the fucking words out was for the information to flow from me in a certain way.

point me to them. Personally I probably didn't respond because it's only been recently that I thought NI had improved Kore 2 enough on the mac to merit discussion. I just tinkered around with Kore all last year, because I couldn't really use it until they fixed a few things.

No prob - this one is mainly just a rant, although I was hoping to get some discussions on it as it's a major point for me. This one is about scripting in Autohotkeys to give Kore 2 the functionality that the rant was about, it's potentially a massive time-saver if you're on PC (it's been unbelievable for me), not so much if you're on mac, though I'm pretty sure there's very similar scripting progs for that too.

Despite these two posts I'm starting to think that Kore 2 could be a seriously creative tool, once you're willing to live with a few limitations/drawbacks that are probably not clear from the outset. Same really could go for any music software I suppose.

[b0unce]

*drivel*

Look man, I'm not going to labour the point any further after this. it was reaaaaaaaaaal simple to begin with. You can't reduce it any further or extrapolate any other 'intended' or 'implied' meanings from it, well you can but you'll just be reaching and you'd be wrong.

when someone who is lactose intolerant ventures out into the public...who's responsibility is it to look after their welfare ? ...Should everyone in public stash their milk and hide it ? Or should Jimmy look after his own damn self ?

You were talking about people who were so sensitive to words that wt it would cause them emotional harm or deep distress to come into contact with 'hostile' language - swearing and 'your mom' jibes in otherwords, you were refering suicide in the same breath. Get real man. People that sensitive & know it have a responsibility to themselves when it comes to using public boards on the internet. fact of life.

[knotkranky]

I love you

I love you to dude.


There are a lot of points to be made, but the biggest is that the "receiver" (of whatever dialogue) is most responsible for their perception of it. b0unce outs many dudes on that. Most take the bait and react, others glide on it and respond or go back to their beats without a skip. b0unce and his ilk enjoy reactors. Especially if the reactor loses their cool. But that ain't on b and the other aggressors.

The Individual is responsible for everything that the individual feels and does no matter what. 100%

Forget about how people are supposed to be. Just let them be it and you be what you want to be and try not to be so insecure as to be hurt or at least marginalized. Forget it, move on. Just jump forward a couple years in development as person who's in control no matter what others say/do.

This is the key, be in control of your own self, and allow others to be who they are. It's not a contest. We humans won a long time ago.

The biggest enablers of this hostility are the ones who react and can't move out of their own way. Don't ask for respect, just exemplify.

There is no better way to disarm aggressors. Gandhi had it right.

Ya know, it takes a MUCH bigger set of balls to say I love you than fuck you. I would say Pitch Black has bigger balls than b0unce.

OK then you go on to pass value judgments and put people into categories of who said what and who is bigger better faster etc.
Point is nebula answers a question on Live I was trumped on, he's the man, he whines, I call him on it. Nobody gets a free ride, we are all responsible for the here and now. You don't get any cookies for "I love you" posts, or "can't we just all get along?" posts with me, you get my respect when you earn it, not when you tell me what kind of person you are......
Basically hippies are NOT by their very "positive energy" rhetoric better people than punk rockers. it's all about the individual and what they say and do, the rest is the sales pitch.

If observing people and having an opinion is passing judgement, then yes. If observing them in anger or happy is categorizing, then yes.

I feel I don't pass judgement in the negative sense though, unless I get weak myself, which I admit is all too often.

I agree with you Mw, no freebies here either. Two extreme types of people; Some start you off with a 1,000 points and they knock off points as they go with others = (Insta-buddies) And some start you off with 0 points and you build from there = (Leave me alone until). Me? 'll give you 250 or maybe 500 if you sign my checks and then we go from there. For some, points are never added back if taken away and others fill it back up at a drop of a hat.

Point is, Neb gives you a lot of points right up front. The problem with that is it leads to expectations for some and I don't know Neb well enough to know if his 700 points are unconditional.

Expectations is a real killer too. Best to avoid them concerning others.

My non cyber friends know me as someone who is extremely unconditional. Though that's unnerving to some people (girlfriends) that want to scrap and like a bit abuse. I don't sweat people much or my close friends at all.

b0unce and I used to beat the crap out of each other. I was on his top hit list for a minute and he dogged me everywhere I went. Now, we're cool. I never hated the dude. Ever. Just like you Mw, I heard his message through all the fodder and that's all I cared about. His abuse never felt like that to me. Actually I was a bit mesmerized by his artistry with it, lol. I like him cuz he's real good at finding the jugular. The dude is teaching quite a few about tolerance and reverse anger management, lol.

Neb is totally cool. There isn't anything about him that should cause any distress. If he's pushing peoples buttons, he's probably exposing things that are unflattering about ourselves.

[Tone Deft]

Neb is totally cool. There isn't anything about him that should cause any distress. If he's pushing peoples buttons, he's probably exposing things that are unflattering about ourselves.

I think Neb annoys people like that person who says "Good Morning" on Monday and really means it and all you want to do is break their nose and ruin their day. nice people can be annoying as fuck.

there's also been mention of beating a gay horse to death.

[knotkranky]

Neb is totally cool. There isn't anything about him that should cause any distress. If he's pushing peoples buttons, he's probably exposing things that are unflattering about ourselves.

I think Neb annoys people like that person who says "Good Morning" on Monday and really means it and all you want to do is break their nose and ruin their day. nice people can be annoying as fuck.

there's also been mention of beating a gay horse to death.

I think Neb annoys people like that person who says "Good Morning" on Monday and really means it.

Right, and right on. For me, that would be a good groove to be in.

and all you want to do is break their nose and ruin their day.

Ok, but that has nothing to do with Neb.

there's also been mention of beating a gay horse to death.

Well, that would change everything.

[dcease]

man, y'all STILL carryin on?! come on now! negative/posititve, yin/yang, good/bad, life/death... we are all cool, we are all funny, and everyone here can be a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick
so deal with it. or don't. every one here looks for an emotional connection of some sort, so of course emotions matter here. some feel fustrated, and look to the forum for help. some come here to have a laugh. some come here to piss in the soup. we all do it for one reason or another. in some ways, this place is real democracy, unlike certain capitalist nations, and it is all the better that the most violence you will get here, is your lappie hitting the ground on the bus. sticks and stones, shit this is just like school, all over again, except i don't have to look at any of you ugly muther fuckers.


maybe some ugly skanks those bots post...

[knotkranky]

Yeah man, You need everybody. There's no way you can check yourself without them.

[Timur]

Still it strikes me odd that one would need to install a Cybernanny on your kids' computers if you wanted to let them surf around this place. Thinking that this is a music software forum would not lead you to that idea in the first place. Only after reading through a couple of threads you begin to wonder how much of its content is appropiate for our youngsters, given the fact that they are mostly left alone with the experiences they make on the internet. I guess we'll see the outcome once these internet educated pupils grow to be responsible for the world and our well-being once we're grumpies.

"FUck oFF buggr go wipe yer ass yo self stinkin' gr4np4!11"

More of a though than a philosophy...

[b0unce]

Can you imagine if Timur was your dad ?

I'm pretty sure he's going to litter the planet with another school-shootout nutter.

[Timur]

Can you imagine if Timur was your dad ?

I'm pretty sure he's going to litter the planet with another school-shootout nutter.

What's a "school-shootout nutter" even?!

Don't worry, I'm not even half as bad as it may seem, just concerned. In fact I'm quite liberal and tolerant, but "liberal" lifestyle without caring for responsibility is nothing more but an "I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me" attitude. See I'm not ignorant, so my children would likely not be very much endangered, but there's lots of parents who don't give a where their kids are hanging out and what they bring home from there. *shrug*

[b0unce]

I don't trust people who say 'I'm liberal & tolerant'
They're usually not.... actions speaking louder than words, and all that jazz


A cybernanny for this forum ?
you gotta be 13 to join...
I can't imagine engaging such software for my niece to surf this site.
A] she's not retarded
B] swear words aren't going to drive her to satanism because: go to A

[Machinesworking]

Weird, basically you two just helped me figure out something. Often wondered why I get along really well with 20-30 year olds, and I'm 41... actually kind of wondered whether it was mid life crisis etc. though I never felt like it was.

Basically I was raised by intellectual hippies, who didn't moderate what sort of information I took in, so consequentially I was exposed to all sorts of things at a younger age than 99% of you all I'm sure. Example would be that at 6 I witnessed the birth of a child, head coming out, all of it. Motherfucker might very well possibly have been the first full word out of my mouth.

So.... in that respect what sets some of you into moral outrage, doesn't phase me in the least.

Now though internet children aren't really being exposed to things in the exact same way, but it's dammed close, language and gore, porn etc. are passe, and barley register. What registers is not the presentation but the content. So b0unce can tell me I'm a twat, but if we are arguing, it doesn't phase me. What phases me is if b0unce decides to ignore my comments in the middle of a debate, or some person uses a crowd to sway opinion against me, then I question the motives and ethics of a person. I see most people as grey area, neither 100% right or wrong. It's my personal opinion that most of you are stuck on good/evil thinking.
Shit, just look at the (new) title of this thread, I don't actually think it's been that bad, maybe too honest for some, but WTF? In reality Tone and b0unce actually exchanged words, and not necessarily just aggressive posturing. Never a bad thing IMO.

[Machinesworking]

Don't worry, I'm not even half as bad as it may seem, just concerned. In fact I'm quite liberal and tolerant, but "liberal" lifestyle without caring for responsibility is nothing more but an "I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me" attitude. See I'm not ignorant, so my children would likely not be very much endangered, but there's lots of parents who don't give a where their kids are hanging out and what they bring home from there. *shrug*

Not sure I follow some of this? So you're saying you're liberal and tolerant, but if you had kids you wouldn't allow them to be exposed to certain elements?
FYI, my old vocalist was a 19 year old lesbian. I got rid of her after she started spending all of her time talking about her masters, and how the couple that were her lovers were in complete control of her life. Goth chick. Parents are born again christians and tried to raise her that way, and failed miserably. Reason for saying that is that it doesn't matter liberal or conservative, if you think you can control your child's behavior and regulate the information they get, good luck. Her parents did, and it created an S&M B&D loving goof ball instead of a nice heterosexual christian girl. In fact regulating the information and controlling your child seems to me to create the exact opposite 90% of the time.....

I was raised by left leaning atheist anarchists, and guess what? I didn't "rebel" against their beliefs probably because they didn't force them on me.

OFF TOPIC: which in this thread means actual talk about gear/Live etc.
The Remote 61 fucking rules, just got it the other day. No Kore issues so far, haven't used AutoMap, but it works so well without, I'm almost hesitant to.
I didn't upgrade to an SL for a while because I thought having both Kore and an SL was overkill, but man, seeing those read Kore LEDs and blue SL ones working as nicely as they do.
My gear lust has been satiated!