Challenge your creativity! Song "contest"

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:17 am

how about two versions:
one with only the sample-pack
one with everybody contributing one loop. of no more than a meg in size, or something?

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:22 am

yeah, i must agree that -sorry painseekeer- i found the samples not very inspiring.
what caught my attention about this challenge was the idea that everybody contributes to 2 samples. this way we could probably have something more diverse, and everybody would be more involved...
i didn't look too much at the included ableton loops, but from the demo, i could say that they sound quite cheesy, don't they?

maybe we rushed it just a little...

please painseekeer, don't get upset by the 'negative' feedback... we all have different styles, and not everybody is able to make a tune with these sounds... but i think everybody appreciates your dedication to this thing... i do...
i'm not out, but i'm struggling, and i'm not sure i'll be quite happy with the final result...
so maybe it would be better to start it again with a samplepack everybody's happy with (or the majority...)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:45 am

noisetonepause wrote:painseeker - emailed you and added you to my MSN.

-Paws

Where is he??
Seeking Pain??

he aint answered my email yet, too!!

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:48 am

I was about to suggest that If consolodating is allowed the ableton samples would be fine, but I listened back to them and realised there's hardly anything usable there so I think the only way we can do this is to have contributions, but 2 from everyone is going to be too much - one sample - or maybe one loop and one hit

I agree with peedro - I think it's been rushed

I think the end date 31 august is too soon also

even though painseeker initiated this, it has been suggested before as Martyn pointed out, so it would be nice to actually get it off the ground

we could have 2 phases - first phase is choosing the samples using a Poll on the forum, we narrow it down to 10 samples and then when the samples are chosen we set the finish to 1 month afterwards - choosing the samples is the one of the most important parts of making a tune and that will be just as interesting as between us all there must be hundreds - so choosing is difficult and it's unfair to expect onne person to provide the inspiration for everybody elses efforts

or we could have 20 samples on line and you have to limit your self to 10, the finished mix is provided as mp3 and ALS so if you don't want to download the samples you dont already have you can still hear the tunes.

lets think this through a bit more first eh?

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:06 am

just got the samples and I agree they're not really adequate for this

Sorry painseeker - it's not a personal criticism, I think it's hard for one person to judge all the criteria for what will work here - I think if we're all in this together we should make this abit more of a thing and choose together - get everyone invloved, there are some regulars here unsure or dropping out we don't want to lose

If we use Dirty studios or Hoffman2ks server space and start uploading sample contributions, (or giving to them to upload) - in fact I could manage 20 or 30 meg or so myself - then have a poll thread with the links to them all and choose them that way on the basis of most votes to least we could come up with something killer the Abes might even want to endorse - as it stands it might not get very far.

In fact in theory there's no reason why all the contributions couldn't be available for use, you just have to choose 10 - that's a good way of writing too - start the track using how many you like but before you submit it you have to strip it down to 10 samples - it's a great way of being ruthless and choosing the best bits - that how I write anyway

Let's do this properly and make something of it - there's no reason why we shouldn't do a releasable track only with only live, but with only those samples I think it's unlikely many people will. There'll be alot of the same sounds.

We need to hear all the suggestions on how to run this and agree on a consensus.

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:16 am

yeah, it sounds better this way, though i reckon it would be more interesting and fair if everybody worked on exactly the same samplepack.
but eveybody could upload a couple of samples in a few categories (drum hits, loops, synth/bass sounds), so we'll have an even samplepack.

another point (if it's agreed), is that we could keep the downloaded samples for private use (i don't mind giving mine away). so this downloading/choosing won't be too much af a waste of time (i'm thinking of 56k ppl).

Frederik654 · Post by **Frederik654** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:06 pm

Let's stick with the sample pack this time ..

We always could do antoher challenge later on but for now just deal with it .. Painseeker put some effort in it and if we rush into another setup of our challenge it's gonna be messy .. Deadline is 31 August so it ain't that long to wait to organise another contest ..

And if you don't like some samples .. just put them in the end

Fred.

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:02 pm

Frederik654 wrote:Let's stick with the sample pack this time ..

We always could do antoher challenge later on but for now just deal with it .. Painseeker put some effort in it and if we rush into another setup of our challenge it's gonna be messy .. Deadline is 31 August so it ain't that long to wait to organise another contest ..

And if you don't like some samples .. just put them in the end

Fred.

Guess so. Might have a go, I'm sure I could probably do more than I'm thinking with them.

it's not really about not liking the samples - they're just not very varied and could lead to a bit of samey-ness.

but what I'm saying about taking a bit of time there's no harm getting onto the next one if everyone wants to - no reason why we cant get on with uploading everyones contributions for the sample library

the more I think about it the more I like the idea of everyone contributing their 2 samples and all of them being available and the rule being to end up with only 10 in the final mix. I like to make a track by throwing loads of samples in then gradually get rid of some.

painseeker · Post by **painseeker** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:22 pm

Hi,

Challenge is off for now

Everyone who joined will recieve an email shortly.

Lucid · Post by **Lucid** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:40 pm

The whole point of the contest as initiated by Painseeker was to see how much we can do using a very limited set of source material. Creating a large sample pack and only using a small subset of the material changes the nature of the challenge significantly IMO.

I'm totally out on this now until the scope of the challenge can be more defined and accepted. I believe that whoever / whomever takes the responsibility of running the challenge should have final say on the rules etc. and I thought Painseeker was doing a fine job of it.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:34 pm

The people who want loops aren't after a "click and paste" contest. By its very definition a loop can be abused and rehashed to sound nothing like its former self - this is one of the things that inspires us. We hear what we want to do it in our head before we even do it!

Its very hard to do the same kind of thing with one-shots. One shots are constructional and it takes a long time to get the sound you want, where as a loop inspires you to create a song from the loop, as opposed to using bricks to build the song.

Its similar to a remix experience - there are no rules, but you'll get a better remix if you stick to samples from the original track.

I said the samples were uninspiring - IE: They didn't give me any ideas. You can't hear a rythmn from a 909 kick shot. You can't hear a bassline from an open hi-hat shot, and the few instrumental samples that were given were again.... shots.

One-shots are all well and good for making music with, but they're not very inspirational, and when you're trying to get a good diverse range of songs from the same samples, inspiration is something all of us will need in buckets.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:35 pm

And if you guys agree with my opinions, I'll be glad to get some loops together and package them for you to use in a contest. I'll even take charge if I must, although traditionally I'm the guy in the corner with a pint in his hand!

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:41 pm

I was one of the vocal ones about taking more time, more samples etc etc but funny enough I started a mix and there were some good bits coming out and I think I could have managed something - but how good I'm not sure

but personally I use loops never as stealing other peoples work (they can be home made loops - not from sample CDs) but more as 'rhythmic textures' and that's what I missed - but I thought I'd give it a go and got started - it's just when they're all one shots it tends to push you in certain directions and styles (like techno/house) which is fine but just that little bit too limiting.

but if we do have contributions for the samples I think we're more likely to have some outstanding work coming out

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:43 pm

Well I don't know about you, when I listen to a loop I'll hear other elements I could add to it. Some loops just sound in my head like a piano would sound great, or a scream would sound good, or delay on the snare... loops give you other ideas.

ekko · Post by **ekko** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:31 pm

Using one-shots really doesn't exploit the most beneficial aspects of Live. IMO.

If we're simply going to be using one shots, why not just use Reason, for example?

Challenge your creativity! Song "contest"

challnge is off... for now