leisuremuffin wrote:i don't even know what you're talking about here. as far as i know, you're telling me that the guy who almost single handedly
LOL - there you go again...attributing things you can't verify.
changed the entire sound of RnB isn't a musician according to you. what the above paragraph has to do with it at all, i have no fucking clue. sales and popularity? i don't really care, what i do know is that before timbaland, most RnB production was boring as shit, after timmy it's something i don't turn off when it comes on the radio. I don't think it's te best thing ever, but it certainly deserving of respect, and in my opinion, at least 100x more interesting that 80% of mainstream dance music.
With all due respect you weren't asked for your opinion - you were asked, again, for something to validate it. Oddly enough that's seemingly quite difficult to do given we're dealing with a major popular 'artiste'. However if you like the guy, for whatever reason, great. Enthusiasm is in short enough supply as it is.
right, here's where you ignore the whole point of what i was saying. Which is, one does not have to have a clip on youtube to be a musician. one does not have to perform live to be an electronic musician. there are plenty of great and respected electronic musicians that you cannot find a clip of them doing anything. I don't like "burial" but just because you can't produce a video clip of him making music doesn't mean that he isn't a musician.
That is a fair point - so perhaps we really shouldn't hold anyone in such high esteem any longer in this industry, given the technology and continual misappropriation of credit, unless we can really witness their talents? Could be anyone I suppose - even the teaboy or the tapeop actually doing the work if not a stolen uncredited sample couldn't it? How do *you* think we can be sure anymore?
furthermore, every you tube video you posted is from AFTER the invention of the sequencer and control voltage. So, again, you lose. the only one that you have any point on is the silver apples, they were amazing, and simeons homemade oscilator kit is a pretty cool little homemade instrument and they are great.
We agree on the Apples at least - but you probably noticed the rest of the 'musicians' in those vids playing their electronic instruments? Again you obviously did notice that only the Kraftwerk vid featured use of a sequencer, whilst they others played, so I'm not sure eaxctly what your point is? We could raise Carlos, Hancock, Emerson, Wakeman, Jarre....sure there's loads of peeps that could really play - however they're obviously all electronic keyboards and perhaps not the most relevant examples. But what precisely does Timbaland do, in your eyes, thats so special to stand in the same 'league'? Groove quantise / syncopation? I assure you that's a serious question and not a dig.
however, none of that makes any of the true PIONEERS not musicians because they couldn't perform their compositions in real time. And neither does it discount the work of someone today who only works by sequencing and editing and refining. It's a way of working that is as legitimate as any other.
We've not been 'discussing' musique concrete or even forms of editing, your raising this in the wrong thread and attempting to skew my question into a perceived general attack on electronic musicians - like the great ones I've referenced (perhaps even yourself) - rather than specifically discussing your assertion. Kindly don't so obviously misrepresent my position and the question posed to you.
in conclusion: yep, you're an idiot alright. by your logic, if there isn't a clip of someone "doing something musical" that's up to your standards they aren't a musician. carry on, fucktard. keep backpedaling on your moronic evaluation of early electronic music as well.
Back to the insults again? <shrugs> What backpedalling evaluation was this? Kindly quote and actually attempt to explain your charges - the same thing that up till now appears to be causing the confusion. As for my musical 'standards' they're wide as hell - tho' it might well be seen as elitist, lol, but I do expect a little more than some chopsticks and a promise. So should you I think. This could evolve into an interesting discussion on different interpretations on who is actually creating all the music we hear as opposed to who is credited - however seeing as you insist upon stamping your opinion, instead of constructively attempting to address your claim, whilst never straying far from basic insults - 3 posts in a row in fact - we'll leave it till then.