Time Code Vinyl suported under ableton........some day?

Dan Dare · Post by **Dan Dare** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:11 pm

Long live vinyl.

arctic ranger · Post by **arctic ranger** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:22 pm

the strangest thing that ive seen is some dude mixing two cdj's into tracktor???. i dint bother to ask him how its done, because i havent the foggiest clue how tractor works.

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:40 pm

+1 for timecode vinyl support.

Everybody else is getting into the pool:

Rane Serato Scratch Live

Traktor Scratch

M-Audio Torq

Numark Virtual Vinyl

PCDJ Reflex DJ

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:49 pm

Im testyoing righ now deckadance, i plain buy the next month when recive my new turntables i ordered.
170U$ for decadance software.......

Lol i pay that to ableton if they add like new feature now.
I really like some day listen direct opinion from Robert Henke about this.

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:58 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:+1 for timecode vinyl support.

Everybody else is getting into the pool:

Rane Serato Scratch Live

Traktor Scratch

M-Audio Torq

Numark Virtual Vinyl

PCDJ Reflex DJ

Add to that list KORG,
KORG zero 4 and Zero 8 have phono inputs and can be used with sofwtares support timecode vinyl....

Zeros are delivered with TRAKTOR.........
So KORG itsanother say OK to timecode vinyl!

Im testing righ now deckadance, i plain buy thsi plugin the next month when recive my new turntables i ordered.
170U$ for decadance software.
Lol i pay that to ableton if they add like new feature now.
I really like some day listen direct opinion from Robert Henke about this.

I think ableton guys never have the intention of turn ableton in the best software for Djs, its clear ableton have more relation with production, but ableton give to djs amazing creativity door, and for no creatives or person with no abilitys, ableton offer perfect beatmathcing with 0 effort..........Abelton is now the more sirius software for Djing, where no have competition......
Under production area for LIVE act.....ableton no have competition ! on the studio Ableotn have big competitors, i think Ableton always stay focused on production Area and that is ok , that is the way how software born, focused to production.
They take long tme for add simlpe feature PITCH NUDGE, to live 7, i not imagine how much time add timecode can take!

I think the only one thing ableton need in the Dj Area is timecode vinyl..........and that finally turn live in the DJ software killer.
For me at this moment is the killer sofwtare......but just need that final detail !!

Please doit Ableton guys ! and doit now jiji no in Ableton 8 !!

ChiDJ · Post by **ChiDJ** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:22 pm

Sadly,

I don't think Ableton will ever offer this feature. They seem to have jumped on the DAW bandwagon and forgot how truly unique LIVE once was.

Time coded vinyl is awesome on a pair of 1200's. It truly feels just like real records. Traktor / Serato are the big players.

LIVE still has it's place, but without a solid way to sync it to your decks, it seems like it's better used as an effects box / sampler, than the center of your DJ set.

Note: I said DJ set. Those of us that actually find joy in beatmatching.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:36 pm

I would much much rather see Ableton spend development time and money on its own unique live performance qualities, rather than jumping on a bandwagon thats already full. Why should Ableton incorporate timecode vinyl when so many others already are?!?

There was a time when I felt Live was really on the cutting edge for live performance, but it seems to me they have fallen off that edge because of trying to pander to so many different interests. Personally I like the DAW features a lot, but more than anything I want more live performance features, and that doesn't mean DJ support!

ChiDJ · Post by **ChiDJ** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:41 pm

ethios4 wrote:I would much much rather see Ableton spend development time and money on its own unique live performance qualities, rather than jumping on a bandwagon thats already full. Why should Ableton incorporate timecode vinyl when so many others already are?!?

There was a time when I felt Live was really on the cutting edge for live performance, but it seems to me they have fallen off that edge because of trying to pander to so many different interests. Personally I like the DAW features a lot, but more than anything I want more live performance features, and that doesn't mean DJ support!

Agreed! I want solid sync more than anything.

ChiDJ · Post by **ChiDJ** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:41 pm

ethios4 wrote:I would much much rather see Ableton spend development time and money on its own unique live performance qualities, rather than jumping on a bandwagon thats already full. Why should Ableton incorporate timecode vinyl when so many others already are?!?

There was a time when I felt Live was really on the cutting edge for live performance, but it seems to me they have fallen off that edge because of trying to pander to so many different interests. Personally I like the DAW features a lot, but more than anything I want more live performance features, and that doesn't mean DJ support!

Agreed! I want solid sync more than anything.

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:48 pm

ethios4 wrote: Why should Ableton incorporate timecode vinyl when so many others already are?

Answer is simple........ just because Ableton not have that feature.......
Why live incorporated SIDECHAIN?..........when so many others already are.....

Ableton never put focus on djing, and i understand that, the origin of software its DAW, and no dj software....that is clear, but Djs around the world adopt Ableton like the master software........this is like compare with turntable.........and nobody can do something for change that........

If ask to dj what is the best truntable, 99% repply.... TECHNIS 1200
Well, like 1200 put a BIG mark in the history, i feel and think ableton do the same.

I just feel this feature is the only one ableton need for be the PERFECT COMPLETE TOOL for DJs..... i really think add this feature cant put under risk the correct future improvements under DAW area...

and i really not like that, i love DAW and the concept ableton introduce for that reason i like use like Dj tool and like production tool at same time......why not?

The new doors Ableton open to my sets are just amazing.......

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:20 pm

Yea, I can see how turntable support would be great for some users.

I just watched the Moldover controllerism video...that's the stuff that's really exciting to me, and I hope Ableton continues to develop in that area, which I see as where Ableton is really groundbreaking. Of course, having timecode vinyl in the mix with a controllerist kind of setup would be awesome I'm sure!

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:20 pm

There IS a way to have vinyl control the tempo of Ableton Live. There are posts here about it...

You have to get a VST that converts audio to keystrokes. You feed a drum track into Live via turntables, and it converts the drums to keystrokes. Map these keystrokes to Live's tempo, and you're away...

Don't ask me where it is on this site - I have no idea...

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:23 pm

Deckadance, have salve mode, and work ok, i think its possible make the inverse, make abelton work on slave of truntables.....
I think not complex thing, due the progress i se ein DECKADANCE software.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:25 pm

Here's my vision

you're able to play tracks via turntables with ableton

lock the tempo in and move on to the next track then the next then the next

so you get two tracks dialed in, hit a key and then start mixing another track

I do this with torq's loop function <- pretty dope

anywayz

I like beat matching, hovering over turntables and mixers

its fun to me

to be able to do what I do with Torq but with the advantage of abletons flexibility would be just awesome

I'm hoping they can work that out in live 8

please

Hervé · Post by **Hervé** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:14 pm

Still asking... does anybody work with the pinky pluggos that work with timecoded vinyls in live ?