What feature will most likely be in Live 8...

TITBAG · Post by **TITBAG** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:16 pm

I WANT A FUCKING SWASTIKA TIN BATH UNEXPLODED BOMB MESSERSCHMIT MODE

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:34 pm

doc holiday wrote:the fact that session automation is loosing show more users are not looking for 'live' features.

it's a sequencer, we need this.

things like that depress me really - that curves is so far ahead of session automation suggests everyone uses it as a bloody linear baselogictools replacement which is depressing

but then this is a small poll

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:38 pm

forge wrote:
doc holiday wrote:the fact that session automation is loosing show more users are not looking for 'live' features.

it's a sequencer, we need this.
things like that depress me really - that curves is so far ahead of session automation suggests everyone uses it as a bloody linear baselogictools replacement which is depressing

but then this is a small poll

Angstrom wrote: its a poll of what we expect, not what we want.
I voted vocoder, because I expect it.

perhaps angstrom hit the nail on the head. i'm not getting my hopes up

now that i have a working step sequencer i want it fucking bad

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:10 am

doc holiday wrote: now that i have a working step sequencer i want it fucking bad

yeah for me it's the Wiimote - I've now got a magic wand that turns knobs via instant mapping in the air, it would be so nice to easily record those

I am actually doing it but it requires routing and other tracks

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:54 am

forge wrote:
doc holiday wrote:the fact that session automation is loosing show more users are not looking for 'live' features.

it's a sequencer, we need this.
things like that depress me really - that curves is so far ahead of session automation suggests everyone uses it as a bloody linear baselogictools replacement which is depressing

but then this is a small poll

Forge, perhaps you and I are a very very small minority

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89126

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:03 am

well, curves is pretty important, it's not like its a weird esoteric thing only for symphonic bassoon arrangers.

Anyone turning a continuous controller has their work affected by it.
If you look at the results you get from a knob twiddle, using parameter thinning or not, neither of them is particularly representative of what you just did. One looks like a ramp and the other looks like a staircase.

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:11 am

Angstrom wrote:well, curves is pretty important, it's not like its a weird esoteric thing only for symphonic bassoon arrangers.

Anyone turning a continuous controller has their work affected by it.
If you look at the results you get from a knob twiddle, using parameter thinning or not, neither of them is particularly representative of what you just did. One looks like a ramp and the other looks like a staircase.

what is good about twiddling your knobs if you can't record it in session anyway?

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:15 am

doc holiday wrote:
Angstrom wrote:well, curves is pretty important, it's not like its a weird esoteric thing only for symphonic bassoon arrangers.

Anyone turning a continuous controller has their work affected by it.
If you look at the results you get from a knob twiddle, using parameter thinning or not, neither of them is particularly representative of what you just did. One looks like a ramp and the other looks like a staircase.
what is good about twiddling your knobs if you can't record it in session anyway?

Oh indeed, I totally agree - but it's not like curves are incredibly esoteric, that's all I'm saying.
I'll happily have curvy automation in session with hidable tracks that can go into track folders with arrangement clips please.
On toast.

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:17 am

Angstrom wrote:I want eggs, bacon and cheese, on toast

and the vocoder can be the jam.

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:40 am

Angstrom wrote:
doc holiday wrote:
Angstrom wrote:well, curves is pretty important, it's not like its a weird esoteric thing only for symphonic bassoon arrangers.

Anyone turning a continuous controller has their work affected by it.
If you look at the results you get from a knob twiddle, using parameter thinning or not, neither of them is particularly representative of what you just did. One looks like a ramp and the other looks like a staircase.
what is good about twiddling your knobs if you can't record it in session anyway?
Oh indeed, I totally agree - but it's not like curves are incredibly esoteric, that's all I'm saying.
I'll happily have curvy automation in session with hidable tracks that can go into track folders with arrangement clips please.
On toast.

yummmy

dont think i dont like curves!

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:25 am

agreed - I definitely want curves

I just wanted everyone to be forming picket lines around Ableton HQ shouting slogans and waving banners with caricatures depicting Gerhard and Robert with devil horns above captions like "Make Session automation, not bassons" on them

curves are not quite so emotive

unless they are these kind of curves

100 points to anyone who actually saw that there were words above that picture

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:52 am

Been asking for this ONE FEATURE since Live 4! It can't be that difficult. I'm really hoping it FINALLY makes into 8.

Warp a variable-tempo (i.e. human) and/or changing time-signature track and have that track's tempo and time signature control the master tempo in session view.

Not all DJs play monotonous constant-tempo 4/4!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:03 am

hambone1 wrote:Been asking for this ONE FEATURE since Live 4! It can't be that difficult. I'm really hoping it FINALLY makes into 8.

Warp a variable-tempo (i.e. human) and/or changing time-signature track and have that track's tempo and time signature control the master tempo in session view.

Not all DJs play monotonous constant-tempo 4/4!

How about renaming one of the scenes to this time signature + tempo?

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:22 am

hoffman2k wrote:
hambone1 wrote:Been asking for this ONE FEATURE since Live 4! It can't be that difficult. I'm really hoping it FINALLY makes into 8.

Warp a variable-tempo (i.e. human) and/or changing time-signature track and have that track's tempo and time signature control the master tempo in session view.

Not all DJs play monotonous constant-tempo 4/4!
How about renaming one of the scenes to this time signature + tempo?

I already do that. But it's only useful when transitioning instantly between tracks with large tempo differences. Otherwise, I crossfade and ramp the tempo up or down with a BCR knob or FCB pedal.

It doesn't help the master tempo and time signature vary during the track, though.

And I still can't warp a track and have the track retain the original tempo fluctuations and variations, so that my audio, video, and lighting loops stay synched.

Autowarp works brilliantly for me, even with tracks with varying tempo, so if Live can identify the beginning of every measure, it should be pretty easy for it to figure the original fluctuating tempo, embed it in the clip, and have the option to use that tempo to control the master tempo when that clip is launched.

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:41 am

this pole is not random. i do not approve.

What feature will most likely be in Live 8...

What feature will most likely be in Live 8 among the most requested (and not)?