I'm returning the Novation Nocturn

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Aton
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I'm returning the Novation Nocturn

Post by Aton » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:19 am

I preorderd this thing months ago and I'm a bit disappointed. What good is automap if the knob moves won't be recorded on Live. I might as well put the money towards the Bitstream 3x... I might have kept it if there was an led display of which page number I was on.
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Post by Johnisfaster » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:05 am

is this a "can't record automation in session view" problem?
It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.
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Post by djfm » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:22 am

I too am disapointed with this. I cant open live project with it. so it sits there looking pretty
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Re: I'm returning the Novation Nocturn

Post by misteron » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:26 am

Aton wrote:What good is automap if the knob moves won't be recorded on Live.
Even in Arrangement View?
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Post by feyshay » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:46 am

As far as I know, you have to Midi-Map the parameter and cannot record automation via Automap.
You can always record the audio output, but of course this leads to uncorrectable user error (much like playing a non-MIDI instrument).
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Post by Naive Teen Idol » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:40 pm

Yeah, I just bought a Remote SL 25 -- it doesn't record in Session view, but neither does any other controller that uses automation. If you absolutely need control in session, use one of the standard MIDI templates...
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Post by TITBAG » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:58 pm

novation promise high and deliver low, every single time. when will you fuckwits learn?
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Post by feyshay » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:04 pm

TITBAG wrote:novation promise high and deliver low, every single time. when will you fuckwits learn?
I'm pretty happy with the Novation, actually, titbag. I wasn't promised anything that it cannot do. I'm not feeling letdown.
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Post by Aton » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:21 pm

hey, did the Nocturn come with a warranty card? I can't find one and if it did, I need to include it in the box or I will be charged a restocking fee.
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Re: I'm returning the Novation Nocturn

Post by R.J.Dubya » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:52 pm

Aton wrote:I preorderd this thing months ago and I'm a bit disappointed. What good is automap if the knob moves won't be recorded on Live. I might as well put the money towards the Bitstream 3x... I might have kept it if there was an led display of which page number I was on.
This is an ableton problem, not novation. Using automap is the same as assigning midi cc's to ableton's device parameters - you can't record automation in session no matter what controller you use.

The only way is to midi learn knobs to parameters of a plug-in. You have to use the plug-ins own midi learn, not ableton's. And this can be done with any controller that sends midi cc, including the nocturn.
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Re: I'm returning the Novation Nocturn

Post by feyshay » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:06 pm

R.J.Dubya wrote:
Aton wrote:I preorderd this thing months ago and I'm a bit disappointed. What good is automap if the knob moves won't be recorded on Live. I might as well put the money towards the Bitstream 3x... I might have kept it if there was an led display of which page number I was on.
This is an ableton problem, not novation. Using automap is the same as assigning midi cc's to ableton's device parameters - you can't record automation in session no matter what controller you use.

The only way is to midi learn knobs to parameters of a plug-in. You have to use the plug-ins own midi learn, not ableton's. And this can be done with any controller that sends midi cc, including the nocturn.
Agreed. I'll have to check out the Novation with Cubase. I gave up Cubase for a while for other reasons, but am curious to see if these changes could be recording without specific mapping on Cubase 4. Anyone know if the other DAW's have this limitation that Ableton has?
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Post by feyshay » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:14 pm

BTW. Non-VST (Ableton plug-ins--Filter, EQ-8, etc.) are not recordable without Midi-mapping.
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Post by djsynchro » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:15 pm

It DOES record VST automation into arrangement.
But it needs to be a VST parameter that Live can automate which is only the first 128. The Nocturn handles 2048 VST parameters.
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Re: I'm returning the Novation Nocturn

Post by TITBAG » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:48 pm

R.J.Dubya wrote:
Aton wrote:I preorderd this thing months ago and I'm a bit disappointed. What good is automap if the knob moves won't be recorded on Live. I might as well put the money towards the Bitstream 3x... I might have kept it if there was an led display of which page number I was on.
This is an ableton problem, not novation. Using automap is the same as assigning midi cc's to ableton's device parameters - you can't record automation in session no matter what controller you use.

The only way is to midi learn knobs to parameters of a plug-in. You have to use the plug-ins own midi learn, not ableton's. And this can be done with any controller that sends midi cc, including the nocturn.
ableton promise high and deliver low, every single time. when will you fuckwits learn?
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Re: I'm returning the Novation Nocturn

Post by landrvr1 » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:56 pm

TITBAG wrote:
R.J.Dubya wrote:
Aton wrote:I preorderd this thing months ago and I'm a bit disappointed. What good is automap if the knob moves won't be recorded on Live. I might as well put the money towards the Bitstream 3x... I might have kept it if there was an led display of which page number I was on.
This is an ableton problem, not novation. Using automap is the same as assigning midi cc's to ableton's device parameters - you can't record automation in session no matter what controller you use.

The only way is to midi learn knobs to parameters of a plug-in. You have to use the plug-ins own midi learn, not ableton's. And this can be done with any controller that sends midi cc, including the nocturn.
ableton promise high and deliver low, every single time. when will you fuckwits learn?





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