LESS DAW FEATURES!!

Lifer · Post by **Lifer** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:51 pm

I would dearly love to see Live take more influence from Kyma or Max . I really hate to see Live become another (if not improved) DAW.
There were/are some really forward thinking ways in Live, for using it to explore new ways of making music and making electronic music "performable".
I would love to see much more of this type of R&D..
Oh..and can we have a built in IR verb so i can automate and use one in Rewire mode please?

Bran richards · Post by **Bran richards** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:00 am

Dont plague this forum with stuipid requests if u want it to be more like another program why are u even using it. "less daw features" How is that even a request

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:10 pm

Bran richards wrote:if u want it to be more like another program

You're missing the point here. He wants Live to be something different than Cubase, Logic,..
Not a copy of those applications with a session view.
Its not a stupid request, just a very poorly formulated one.

In the olden days, Live was a so-called Live sequencing instrument. (it said so on the box).
These days its all about trumpets and pianos. The marketing focus has shifted to attract users from other Audio Sequencing software. Which makes it unclear wether Ableton will focus on features that can be abused in real-time or if they will focus on offline features that are attractive to Cubase/Logic/etc users.

I've had this conversation a hundred times and learned that the word "DAW' means different things to different people. For a long time, I saw a DAW as a linear sequencer. These days I view it as an all encompassing idea of musical configurations. A set of applications could still qualify as one DAW.

Before Digital, did people call their setups AAW?

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:23 pm

I agree with H2K here.
I think

you don't really mean "less DAW features" , because that's essentially meaningless. You mean "more INNOVATIVE features" , which is fundamentally different.

you find that applications like Max and Kyma are innovative and flexible, while Cubase or Logic are both less flexible in that they allow a narrow range of interaction targeted towards a narrow range of outcomes.

By following your stated aim of limiting features you are effectively voting for a limited Live. Albeit - one whose limits suit you. More effective is to ask for "more innovations" rather than "less DAW" , because the 'same' features could be done better and more flexibly.

There are better ways to handle arranging than a simple timeline, that does not mean they should abandon arranging, but that there is a great market for innovation there.
Arranging is quite probably what you think of as a 'DAW' feature

Copying Max or Kyma would be just as fruitless as copying Cubase or Logic. Taking elements that work from each of these apps is much more sensible.

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:11 pm

Speaking of it, could someone tell me what the 3 letters DAW mean?

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:13 pm

[OT] Angstrom, I am just listening to your myspace, great music! And I've noticed that Gramophoner is in your top 40, it's a good friend of mine!

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:29 pm

chapelier fou wrote:Speaking of it, could someone tell me what the 3 letters DAW mean?

Hi,

Digital Audio Workstation.

Regards,
Amaury

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:31 pm

thanks. The tracks sound a bit better on the last.fm link, myspace quality is pretty bad.

DAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation, wikipedia says:
"A digital audio workstation (DAW) is an electronic system designed to record, edit and play back digital audio"

so it's a pretty wide ranging description. It pretty much means 'audio program'

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:45 pm

Thank you guys!

Pepehouse · Post by **Pepehouse** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:58 am

I agree. I think the abes are going the wrong rute with the last updates. Live was once a weird and a different program, now they are making it more studio-traditional and less performance-innovative.

jlgrimes · Post by **jlgrimes** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:05 am

Lifer wrote: Oh..and can we have a built in IR verb so i can automate and use one in Rewire mode please?

Well just about every DAW has a built in IR verb, so it sounds like you want more DAW features as well.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:54 am

I'm surprised more people dont use LiveMinimalEdition, it has all the features you are asking for.

It's great, ever since I started using Live Minimal Edition I have stopped being distracted by pesky 'features' such as arrangements, effects , instruments and been able to concentrate on my repetitive monodimensional banging tarnce

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:06 am

I am also on LiveMinimalEdition. I've never understood the "OVR" button.

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:50 am

chapelier fou wrote:I am also on LiveMinimalEdition. I've never understood the "OVR" button.

it's short for "over done"

I find it quite amazing when people who use Live say "I don't use the session view much"

I'm not sure why anyone would come to Live just to use the arrangement view, but amazingly quite a lot of people seem to.

I actually think it's because of the great automation palarva where you are basically forced to as soon as you want to automate

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:39 pm

forge wrote: I actually think it's because of the great automation palarva where you are basically forced to as soon as you want to automate

yes, but that's only the secondary reason. The main reason for using arrangement more than session is because I do lots of micro chopping, stretching and tweaking of clips. A bar on one single track might contain 16 different clips, and the next and the next.

even when I am arranging - the arrangement needs to be carefully planned and tweaked. It is complex music I am making ... it needs planning !

perhaps it's a different story for people making simplistic dance music, but I am not.

I use arrangement, not just to arrange - but to create complex parts. Session can't do what I want - arrangement can.

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